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Project National Dex OU: Victim of the Week v2 (Week 23: Tapu Bulu)
- Thread starter Dorron
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blooclipse
formerly Bluecliqse
Congratulations to GiyuForPresident for winning this week of Victim of the Week!
Our new Victim will be Chansey (the devil)
How will YOU punish this mon? Submissions end Friday!
Our new Victim will be Chansey (the devil)
How will YOU punish this mon? Submissions end Friday!
Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 68 SpD / 192 Spe
Calm Nature
- Whirlpool
- Nature's Madness
- Taunt
- Moonblast
Fini easily counters chansey. You just switch in, click whirlpool, taunt, and kill with nature's madness + moonblast, while seismic toss is a 5HKO.
0 SpA Tapu Fini Whirlpool vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 24-28 (3.4 - 3.9%) -- possible 7HKO after trapping damage
0 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 63-75 (8.9 - 10.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Chansey Seismic Toss vs. 248 HP Tapu Fini: 100-100 (29.1 - 29.1%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Hydreigon @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Spin
- Taunt
- Roost
This will comfortably counter the devil.
Fire spin to trap with taunt to pick up the KO. Roost offers reliable recovery so it can remain healthy after dispatching the devil.
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 HP / 16 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Spin
- Taunt
- Roost
This will comfortably counter the devil.
Fire spin to trap with taunt to pick up the KO. Roost offers reliable recovery so it can remain healthy after dispatching the devil.
blooclipse
formerly Bluecliqse
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Def / 100 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Defog
- U-turn
- Roost
Submitting as a Counter
you can knock its evio, you can chip it, defog in its face, anything.
Chansey Seismic Toss vs. 244 HP Gliscor: 100-100 (28.4 - 28.4%) -- guaranteed 6HKO after Poison Heal
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 204-241 (29 - 34.2%) -- 3.4% chance to 3HKO
It cant even 5hko and you can absolutely abuse it for momentum, chip, defog, whatever. If running rocks on your gliscor you can set that up, and if you're running a swords dance set even you can set up in its face
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Def / 100 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Defog
- U-turn
- Roost
Submitting as a Counter
you can knock its evio, you can chip it, defog in its face, anything.
Chansey Seismic Toss vs. 244 HP Gliscor: 100-100 (28.4 - 28.4%) -- guaranteed 6HKO after Poison Heal
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 204-241 (29 - 34.2%) -- 3.4% chance to 3HKO
It cant even 5hko and you can absolutely abuse it for momentum, chip, defog, whatever. If running rocks on your gliscor you can set that up, and if you're running a swords dance set even you can set up in its face
Hawlucha @ Electric Seed
/ Grassy Seed 
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 36 SpD / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Acrobatics
- Substitute
Hawlucha simply uses Chansey as setup fodder due to Toxic and Thunder Wave immunity behind Substitute. After a Swords Dance or two, you OHKO and begin your potential sweep if you've already activated the designated seed.
Counter: CM Mega Sableye 
Sableye-Mega @ Sablenite
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 248 HP / 132 SpD / 128 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Recover
- Psychic
The combination of magic bounce and seismic toss immunity means that chansey is quite literally useless against mega sableye unless it's going back to older gens and throwing ice beam into it's moveslots, which it can't really sacrifice something for nowadays, due to the insane amount of utility the other moves provide. The given spread outspeeds reuniclus(or in other words,toxapex that invests 4 speed evs), has the highest chance of surviving 2 heatran's magma storm with stealth rocks up while having the highest physical bulk.
+6 0 SpA Sableye-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 190-225 (27 - 32%) -- 64.3% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
+6 0 SpA Sableye-Mega Dark Pulse vs. -1 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 288-339 (40.9 - 48.2%) -- 66% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
no way we are not getting any spdef drops or flinches after throwing out so many psychics right?
Sableye-Mega @ Sablenite
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 248 HP / 132 SpD / 128 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Recover
- Psychic
The combination of magic bounce and seismic toss immunity means that chansey is quite literally useless against mega sableye unless it's going back to older gens and throwing ice beam into it's moveslots, which it can't really sacrifice something for nowadays, due to the insane amount of utility the other moves provide. The given spread outspeeds reuniclus(or in other words,toxapex that invests 4 speed evs), has the highest chance of surviving 2 heatran's magma storm with stealth rocks up while having the highest physical bulk.
+6 0 SpA Sableye-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 190-225 (27 - 32%) -- 64.3% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
+6 0 SpA Sableye-Mega Dark Pulse vs. -1 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 288-339 (40.9 - 48.2%) -- 66% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
no way we are not getting any spdef drops or flinches after throwing out so many psychics right?
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Gengar @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Substitute
Gengar is immune to toss toxic etc. You come in click sub and abuse this as fodder.
If he stays in bost 2 times and
+4 252 SpA Gengar Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 498-586 (70.8 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Could be fighting z but its a waste to click the the z vs a mon that can touch you anyways. Gost z is just better overall
Voting is up! Ends Sunday!
Counters
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Hawlucha @ Electric Seed
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 36 SpD / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Acrobatics
- Substitute
Hawlucha simply uses Chansey as setup fodder due to Toxic and Thunder Wave immunity behind Substitute. After a Swords Dance or two, you OHKO and begin your potential sweep if you've already activated the designated seed.
Counter: CM Mega Sableye
Sableye-Mega @ Sablenite
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 248 HP / 132 SpD / 128 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Recover
- Psychic
The combination of magic bounce and seismic toss immunity means that chansey is quite literally useless against mega sableye unless it's going back to older gens and throwing ice beam into it's moveslots, which it can't really sacrifice something for nowadays, due to the insane amount of utility the other moves provide. The given spread outspeeds reuniclus(or in other words,toxapex that invests 4 speed evs), has the highest chance of surviving 2 heatran's magma storm with stealth rocks up while having the highest physical bulk.
+6 0 SpA Sableye-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 190-225 (27 - 32%) -- 64.3% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
+6 0 SpA Sableye-Mega Dark Pulse vs. -1 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 288-339 (40.9 - 48.2%) -- 66% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
no way we are not getting any spdef drops or flinches after throwing out so many psychics right?
Gengar @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Substitute
Gengar is immune to toss toxic etc. You come in click sub and abuse this as fodder.
If he stays in bost 2 times and
+4 252 SpA Gengar Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 498-586 (70.8 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Could be fighting z but its a waste to click the the z vs a mon that can touch you anyways. Gost z is just better overall
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blooclipse
formerly Bluecliqse
by GiyuForPresident!
Counter: Reuniclus
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Reuniclus @ Electrium Z / Fightinium Z
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Recover
- Thunder / Focus Blast
Draco Meteor is a very uncommon choice, which leaves thunder up next as the strongest move the male of the eon twins could throw out on reuniclus.
252 SpA Latios-Mega Thunder vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 160-189 (37.7 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Thunder vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 107-127 (25.2 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
The most we need are 3 recovers and we can start to set up calm minds on mega latios and start the snowball effect. Besides, consistently landing high roll thunders and having a para and it activating is quite an unlikely case, and should that happen we can just find an opportunity later and try again
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Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
Easy check. Once you get in for free, you can pursuit trap it. If for some reason you think they won't switch out, knock and taxel also kill. Shard also does 50+.
Offensive:
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 558-666 (185.3 - 221.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 302-356 (100.3 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Pursuit (40 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 372-438 (123.5 - 145.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Defensive:
Latios-Mega Psychic vs. Weavile: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
4 Atk Latios-Mega Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Weavile: 129-152 (45.9 - 54%) -- 47.7% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 65-77 (23.1 - 27.4%) -- 70.5% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 468-552 (166.5 - 196.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Mystical Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 218-258 (77.5 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 558-666 (185.3 - 221.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 302-356 (100.3 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Pursuit (40 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 372-438 (123.5 - 145.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Defensive:
Latios-Mega Psychic vs. Weavile: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
4 Atk Latios-Mega Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Weavile: 129-152 (45.9 - 54%) -- 47.7% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 65-77 (23.1 - 27.4%) -- 70.5% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 468-552 (166.5 - 196.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Mystical Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 218-258 (77.5 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Crunch
- Stealth Rock
Mega Tyranitar is immune to Mega Latias' Psychic-type attacks and due to the doubled special defense from sandstorm, it's able to take a boosted Aura Sphere and live. Mega Tyranitar in return can severally weaken it with Crunch or trap it with Pursuit.
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252+ Atk Tyranitar-Mega switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 290-344 (79.6 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Tyranitar-Mega Crunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 290-344 (79.6 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
-> 0 SpA Latias-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 180-212 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
+1 0 SpA Latias-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 264-312 (72.7 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Voting is up! Ends Sunday!
Due to 1 Counter submission, all votes will be counted for 1 category.
GiyuForPresident the mon was Latios-Mega, not Latias :eyes:
Due to 1 Counter submission, all votes will be counted for 1 category.
GiyuForPresident the mon was Latios-Mega, not Latias :eyes:
Reserving Reuniclus
Counter: Reuniclus
Reuniclus @ Electrium Z / Fightinium Z
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Recover
- Thunder / Focus Blast
Draco Meteor is a very uncommon choice, which leaves thunder up next as the strongest move the male of the eon twins could throw out on reuniclus.
252 SpA Latios-Mega Thunder vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 160-189 (37.7 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Thunder vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 107-127 (25.2 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
The most we need are 3 recovers and we can start to set up calm minds on mega latios and start the snowball effect. Besides, consistently landing high roll thunders and having a para and it activating is quite an unlikely case, and should that happen we can just find an opportunity later and try again
reserving weavile
Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
Easy check. Once you get in for free, you can pursuit trap it. If for some reason you think they won't switch out, knock and taxel also kill. Shard also does 50+.
Offensive:
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 558-666 (185.3 - 221.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 302-356 (100.3 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Pursuit (40 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 186-222 (61.7 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios-Mega: 372-438 (123.5 - 145.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Defensive:
Latios-Mega Psychic vs. Weavile: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
4 Atk Latios-Mega Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Weavile: 129-152 (45.9 - 54%) -- 47.7% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 65-77 (23.1 - 27.4%) -- 70.5% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 468-552 (166.5 - 196.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Latios-Mega Mystical Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 218-258 (77.5 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Crunch
- Stealth Rock
Mega Tyranitar is immune to Mega Latias' Psychic-type attacks and due to the doubled special defense from sandstorm, it's able to take a boosted Aura Sphere and live. Mega Tyranitar in return can severally weaken it with Crunch or trap it with Pursuit.
252+ Atk Tyranitar-Mega switching boosted Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 290-344 (79.6 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Tyranitar-Mega Crunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Latias-Mega: 290-344 (79.6 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
0 SpA Latias-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 180-212 (49.5 - 58.4%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
+1 0 SpA Latias-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 264-312 (72.7 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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