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Pet Mod JolteMons (Complete) [Random Battle is Leader's Choice]
- Thread starter Yoshiblaze
- Start date
We had our first roomtour on the main server today with a quick Randbats Tour! Let's see what happened
Tour 13 - JolteMons Random Battle - Single Elimination - 9 Entrants
1st: Beaf Cultist
2nd: gmfc
3rd: Yoshiblaze
3rd: Giga-Chandélure
Some Quick Takeways
- it was a little randbats tour, there's nothing really to take away from it lol
And that's all! We'll continue having Randbats tours on main from time to time cuz, hey, with the 3 months we have, we might as well, but we'll still have normal OU and UU and other tier tours as the main focus. Speaking of other tiers, I highly encourage you guys to play both OU and UU, as the little surprise we have soon is OU-related and we we're a little behind on UU development if we wanna get to lower tiers, so I hope to see some OU and UU battles in the future!
That's all for now, see you soon!
Tour 13 - JolteMons Random Battle - Single Elimination - 9 Entrants
1st: Beaf Cultist
2nd: gmfc
3rd: Yoshiblaze
3rd: Giga-Chandélure
I tried getting usage as a joke, but it didn't work except that it still gave me the leads fsr, so here you go ig lol
Leads
Code:
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Gliscor | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Muk-Alola | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Victini | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Hatterene | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Manaphy | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Cursola | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Metagross | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Medicham | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Arbok | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Swoobat | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Eelektross | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Dragonite | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661847781-86p2lgy8d36cfsnjfuki4si85ndl0hcpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661845572-58esizy09viaoha8baarre4ur5e9jl2pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661845413-mdxi4zlj0hfaeumlxkokmzq7j5gapcopw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661842459-yb5zbliaupgvopqxuvhb2tldnq5w2eupw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661850410-zpd2lr88lqqvwp39jjqxehaf1wpl74bpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661857892-d347ykdx9bb6liulan7aks32umv434xpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661845572-58esizy09viaoha8baarre4ur5e9jl2pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661845413-mdxi4zlj0hfaeumlxkokmzq7j5gapcopw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661842459-yb5zbliaupgvopqxuvhb2tldnq5w2eupw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661850410-zpd2lr88lqqvwp39jjqxehaf1wpl74bpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/...-1661857892-d347ykdx9bb6liulan7aks32umv434xpw
Some Quick Takeways
- it was a little randbats tour, there's nothing really to take away from it lol
And that's all! We'll continue having Randbats tours on main from time to time cuz, hey, with the 3 months we have, we might as well, but we'll still have normal OU and UU and other tier tours as the main focus. Speaking of other tiers, I highly encourage you guys to play both OU and UU, as the little surprise we have soon is OU-related and we we're a little behind on UU development if we wanna get to lower tiers, so I hope to see some OU and UU battles in the future!
That's all for now, see you soon!
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True. I agree with you. It feels alot like my ideal gen 8, but it's not without some minor flaws. (*cough cough* Tapu Fini's monopoly) Either way, this mod will definitely hold a special place in my heart.
Edit: Holy crap. Why are you guys fuming so much over my posts?
She's the only one in Joltemons with Misty Surge >:(
Can we ban Mesprit, it is too constricting on play. Despite it being lower tiered since it’s introduction Mesprit is far too constricting in the builder, due to its insane natural bulk, and solid offensive stats, and absolutely bonkers movepool. This thing is a monster that should be banned, I run into a game with somebody that’s running Mesprit I forfeit on preview. Unless I have something that hard counters it I lose, that’s it. Ban Mesprit. I try to use balance I lose, I try to use offense I use stall. Always losing to Mesprit, ban it now. Also we don’t need to nerf Uxie, it’s bad.
Hello!
I have two major announcements for you! First, to celebrate the winding down of the generation and the now developed JolteMons OU metagame, we have decided to a start a Top 10 Titans of the Metagame project! If you don't know what that is, you can see an example here, but essentially, it's a project where the community discusses and votes on what the most impactful Pokemon were throughout the entire history of a metagame. Our version will proceed a little differently from a standard Titan project, as we don't have enough people to make all the necessary nominations. Thus, in order to decide the top 10, you will vote in this survey, rating each Pokemon from 1-10 based on how impactful they were to JolteMons OU. Do note that the question order is random, which is why the survey doesn't ask for your Smogon username until a random spot (oops lol). Remember, the project considers the entire history of the tier, so don't forget to consider how certain Pokemon were being being nerfed, like First Impression Mega Beedrill and Buzz Off Vikavolt. The survey will tentatively remain open until next Friday, then I'll release an article revealing and explaining the results!
Second, we'll have a UU Roomtour on Sunday at 4 PM EST! However, this roomtour is special in that it's planned to be the final UU Roomtour before the creation of an official UU Tier List and the creation of RU! Thus, it's very important for anyone interested in helping us finalize UU to let me know if 4 PM that day doesn't work so I can move the time. After the roomtour, we'll discuss the tierlist in the #lower-tier-discussion channel on the Discord, with the Competitive Council finalizing the list. Then, RU will officially begin!
I will try to get a UU Viability List (with sample sets) out tomorrow or tonight to help with teambuilding for Sunday's roomtour in order to allow as many people as possible to play in the tournament.
That's all for now, see you soon!
I have two major announcements for you! First, to celebrate the winding down of the generation and the now developed JolteMons OU metagame, we have decided to a start a Top 10 Titans of the Metagame project! If you don't know what that is, you can see an example here, but essentially, it's a project where the community discusses and votes on what the most impactful Pokemon were throughout the entire history of a metagame. Our version will proceed a little differently from a standard Titan project, as we don't have enough people to make all the necessary nominations. Thus, in order to decide the top 10, you will vote in this survey, rating each Pokemon from 1-10 based on how impactful they were to JolteMons OU. Do note that the question order is random, which is why the survey doesn't ask for your Smogon username until a random spot (oops lol). Remember, the project considers the entire history of the tier, so don't forget to consider how certain Pokemon were being being nerfed, like First Impression Mega Beedrill and Buzz Off Vikavolt. The survey will tentatively remain open until next Friday, then I'll release an article revealing and explaining the results!
Second, we'll have a UU Roomtour on Sunday at 4 PM EST! However, this roomtour is special in that it's planned to be the final UU Roomtour before the creation of an official UU Tier List and the creation of RU! Thus, it's very important for anyone interested in helping us finalize UU to let me know if 4 PM that day doesn't work so I can move the time. After the roomtour, we'll discuss the tierlist in the #lower-tier-discussion channel on the Discord, with the Competitive Council finalizing the list. Then, RU will officially begin!
I will try to get a UU Viability List (with sample sets) out tomorrow or tonight to help with teambuilding for Sunday's roomtour in order to allow as many people as possible to play in the tournament.
That's all for now, see you soon!
The final UU Roomtour before the creation of RU is in the books! Let's see what went down
Tour 14 - JolteMons UU - Round Robin - 5 Entrants
1st: The Damned
1st: Yoshiblaze
3rd: Beaf Cultist
3rd: Superior Serperior
JolteMons UU Roomtour Usage Stats
Leads
Some Quick Takeaways
- I know it mostly came from the same team, but Excadrill being #1 in usage with no Tyranitar in sight is mildly amusing
- Flapple is very, very good, as always
- Some of the best/borderline broken mons in the tier didn't have great showings, with Greninja doing just okay and Darmanitan-Z getting a couple kills against a team with no switch-in before getting quickly overwhelmed by hazards and its low Speed
- Lots of hax today, but we do be playing Pokemon though
- Very few Pokemon that aren't likely to be UU or RUBL showed up, with the ones that did not doing much outside of Wormadam-Sandy being bulky af
- On the flip side, almost every good Pokemon in UU made an appearance, with the most notable absences only being Mienshao and the Regen Grasses.
- Weather was a big player in the tour, but only Sun and Sand, with Hail not showing up outside of a Glaceon setting it for itself, and Rain not showing up at all. I do think Rain has a lot of potential, but Pokemon like Rillaboom and Latias do make it a little more difficult
And that's it!
Now, we'll work on creating the initial UU Tier List, which you can help us with on Discord in the #lower-tier-discussion channel. Note that the competitive council has the final say on what the tier list will. Then, we'll unveil the list and officially open up RU!
See you soon!
Tour 14 - JolteMons UU - Round Robin - 5 Entrants
1st: The Damned
1st: Yoshiblaze
3rd: Beaf Cultist
3rd: Superior Serperior
Code:
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Excadrill | 5 | 35.71% | 40.00% |
| 2 | Gyarados | 4 | 28.57% | 75.00% |
| 2 | Runerigus | 4 | 28.57% | 75.00% |
| 2 | Hippowdon | 4 | 28.57% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Pidgeot | 4 | 28.57% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Latias | 4 | 28.57% | 25.00% |
| 7 | Flapple | 3 | 21.43% | 66.67% |
| 7 | Dracozolt | 3 | 21.43% | 66.67% |
| 7 | Alakazam | 3 | 21.43% | 66.67% |
| 10 | Torkoal | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Keldeo | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Houndoom | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Leafeon | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Steelix | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Slowking | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Mandibuzz | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Greninja | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Lycanroc-Dusk | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Rotom-Heat | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 10 | Nidoqueen | 2 | 14.29% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Scizor | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Manectric | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Zarude | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Dodrio | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Infernape | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Darmanitan-Galar | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Ampharos | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Aegislash | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Wormadam-Sandy | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Glaceon | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Meloetta | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Aggron | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Rillaboom | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Typhlosion | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Sylveon | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Samurott | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Swampert | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Sharpedo | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Cobalion | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Regieleki | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Florges-Blue | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Bisharp | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Articuno-Galar | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Goodra | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Guzzlord | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Darmanitan | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Altaria | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Incineroar | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
Code:
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Flapple | 2 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Latias | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Pidgeot | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Keldeo | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Wormadam-Sandy | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Alakazam | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Aggron | 1 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Typhlosion | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 2 | Gyarados | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 2 | Swampert | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 2 | Cobalion | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 2 | Articuno-Galar | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 2 | Guzzlord | 1 | 7.14% | 0.00% |https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-30
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-31
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-34
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-33
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-36
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-35
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-37
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-31
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-34
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-33
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-36
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-35
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsuu-37
Some Quick Takeaways
- I know it mostly came from the same team, but Excadrill being #1 in usage with no Tyranitar in sight is mildly amusing
- Flapple is very, very good, as always
- Some of the best/borderline broken mons in the tier didn't have great showings, with Greninja doing just okay and Darmanitan-Z getting a couple kills against a team with no switch-in before getting quickly overwhelmed by hazards and its low Speed
- Lots of hax today, but we do be playing Pokemon though
- Very few Pokemon that aren't likely to be UU or RUBL showed up, with the ones that did not doing much outside of Wormadam-Sandy being bulky af
- On the flip side, almost every good Pokemon in UU made an appearance, with the most notable absences only being Mienshao and the Regen Grasses.
- Weather was a big player in the tour, but only Sun and Sand, with Hail not showing up outside of a Glaceon setting it for itself, and Rain not showing up at all. I do think Rain has a lot of potential, but Pokemon like Rillaboom and Latias do make it a little more difficult
And that's it!
Now, we'll work on creating the initial UU Tier List, which you can help us with on Discord in the #lower-tier-discussion channel. Note that the competitive council has the final say on what the tier list will. Then, we'll unveil the list and officially open up RU!
See you soon!
Hi!
I'm just gonna cut right to the chase, the finalized JolteMons UU Tier List is finally here!
JOLTEMONS UNDER USED
UU
Aegislash, Alomomola, Altaria-Mega, Amoonguss, Ampharos-Mega, Azelf, Barraskewda, Bisharp, Cinderace, Cobalion, Dragonite, Empoelon, Excadrill, Flapple, Florges, Greninja, Guzzlord, Hippowdon, Infernape, Jirachi, Keldeo, Krookodile, Latias, Mamoswine, Mandibuzz, Manectric-Mega, Mesprit, Mew, Mienshao, Mimikyu, Muk-Alola, Nidoqueen, Pidgeot-Mega, Primarina, Regieleki, Rillaboom, Rotom-Heat, Rotom-Mow, Runerigus, Samurott, Scizor, Skarmory, Slowking, Steelix-Mega, Sylveon, Tangrowth, Tapu Bulu, Thundurus, Thundurus-Therian, Tyranitar, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
RUBL
Aggron-Mega, Alakazam, Archeops, Azumarill, Banette-Mega, Crawdaunt, Darmanitan-Galar, Decidueye, Dodrio, Dracozolt, Gyarados, Haxorus, Nihilego, Polteageist-Antique
Banned From RU: Chill Pill (
), Drizzle, Relic Charm (
)
And, of course, with UU having an official tier list, that means we can finally open JolteMons RU!
From the looks of it and some of the things that have fallen through the cracks, RU looks like a very chaotic, but very fun tier. The following is just a taste of what you'll see in RU
(Super)
RU will (hopefully) be live late tonight, so I hope you enjoy playing RU!
I'm just gonna cut right to the chase, the finalized JolteMons UU Tier List is finally here!
JOLTEMONS UNDER USED
UU
Aegislash, Alomomola, Altaria-Mega, Amoonguss, Ampharos-Mega, Azelf, Barraskewda, Bisharp, Cinderace, Cobalion, Dragonite, Empoelon, Excadrill, Flapple, Florges, Greninja, Guzzlord, Hippowdon, Infernape, Jirachi, Keldeo, Krookodile, Latias, Mamoswine, Mandibuzz, Manectric-Mega, Mesprit, Mew, Mienshao, Mimikyu, Muk-Alola, Nidoqueen, Pidgeot-Mega, Primarina, Regieleki, Rillaboom, Rotom-Heat, Rotom-Mow, Runerigus, Samurott, Scizor, Skarmory, Slowking, Steelix-Mega, Sylveon, Tangrowth, Tapu Bulu, Thundurus, Thundurus-Therian, Tyranitar, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
RUBL
Aggron-Mega, Alakazam, Archeops, Azumarill, Banette-Mega, Crawdaunt, Darmanitan-Galar, Decidueye, Dodrio, Dracozolt, Gyarados, Haxorus, Nihilego, Polteageist-Antique
Banned From RU: Chill Pill (
), Drizzle, Relic Charm ()
From the looks of it and some of the things that have fallen through the cracks, RU looks like a very chaotic, but very fun tier. The following is just a taste of what you'll see in RU
(Super)RU will (hopefully) be live late tonight, so I hope you enjoy playing RU!
Ouch. It is an unholy sight seeing Chansey in RU... At Least Shedinja actually ended up somewhere that wasn't bottom tier. Side note: I'm so glad Ursaluna isn't allowed in Joltemons. Eviolith Ursaring would be horrifying.
still stand by Chansey being RUBL at the highest. Mon is not very good in UU. Tons of powerful breakers that cleave through it with ease, very few threats it walls well, and multiple more splashable walls all make it not very appealing to run on teams. Also nobody builds UU stall.
edit: it is very broken in RU tho get the blob out of there
chansey does nothing to it and offensive sets crush chanseychansey threatens toxic but mola just outspeeds and pivotschansey does nothing to it pre-mega and loses to it post-mega. desperation check at bestchansey does nothing to it but amogus doesn't really do much either. pretty irrelevant mufirst mon on the list Chansey actually does stuff to. walled completely by the blob252 SpA Life Orb Azelf Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 315-374 (44.8 - 53.2%) -- 30.5% chance to 2HKOchansey dieschansey dieschansey also dieschansey does jack and any variant with a fighting move and any sort of offensive investment threatens it out. this includes unset physdef body presschansey loses but dnite can't safely set up so I'd call this a neutral muchansey does nothing and can't stop rocks from going up (though they can trade rocks ig), or just gets fogged on if empol is carrying thatchansey dieschansey dies (but it does live a hit or two and threatens a toxic)chansey does nothing and gets set up on, but florg has to invest in spatk to 2HKO at +6chansey dies to physical variants but walls special well enough. why is this still legal?chansey gets koffed. very much a losing muchansey threatens toxic so hippo can't stay inchansey dieschansey gets trolledchansey dieschansey can take a couple hits from scarf but if the krook is running cc chansey dieschansey walls most offensive sets, and threatens out defensive. probably the most notable winning matchupchansey dieschansey threatens toxic so mandi wouldn't usually stay inanother great chansey matchup, but there really don't seem to be too many of thesechansey gets subbed ondepends on the set, but most sets should win the 1v1 against chanseychansey dieschansey dieschansey does nothing and loses eventuallychansey dieschansey walls but doesn't do much back if they're a refresh variantchansey walls it and forces it out by threatening toxicchansey dieschansey dieschansey wallschansey walls but gets fucked by trickchansey does absolutely nothing, gets rocked on, and dies eventuallychansey dies (no, actually. it gets 2HKOed easily by +2 and is so passive samu can afford to miss a hit or two)chansey does nothing and gets set up onchansey does nothing and gets spiked onchansey threatens toxicchansey gets set up onanother one Chansey walls, but sylve basically gets to come in and do whatever it wants thanks to ncure, meaning Chansey is basically foddercan do a lot of annoying things to Chans but hates toxicchansey diesnobody runs thunduruschansey dieschansey dieschansey diesso yeah, very few winning matchups, most of which are only against other walls that don't like being toxiced (which is true of like, every mon ever. not something unique to Chansey). really the only notable winning matchups are fully special greninja, most Latias sets, and mega manectric. these are notable matchups, but they really don't matter much when the vast majority of the tier shits on Chansey as hard as they do
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Most of these are either untrue, physical wallbreakers (duh), Ghost types that aren't bothered by Toxic in a 1v1 (Duh) and Fighting types (DUH). Chansey is a special wall, ofc you are gonna be using it to beat specially offensive Pokémon. So like, focus on those matchups, and not stuff no one expects you to win.View attachment 454492
still stand by Chansey being RUBL at the highest. Mon is not very good in UU. Tons of powerful breakers that cleave through it with ease, very few threats it walls well, and multiple more splashable walls all make it not very appealing to run on teams. Also nobody builds UU stall.
edit: it is very broken in RU tho get the blob out of there
so yeah, very few winning matchups, most of which are only against other walls that don't like being toxiced (which is true of like, every mon ever. not something unique to Chansey). really the only notable winning matchups are fully special greninja, most Latias sets, and mega manectric. these are notable matchups, but they really don't matter much when the vast majority of the tier shits on Chansey as hard as they do
I already said UU is very much untested, for some reason no one uses HO, and people heavily overhype a lot of Pokémon, while seriously underrating others.
While I agree that UU is very untested (which is part of why nobody is running stall), I still think my points are fairly relevant. I wasn't listing random mons there; that is the entire current UU tier. So if most of those beat Chansey, regardless of what reason, why would you run Chansey??
Even among specially offensive Pokemon in the tier, the vast majority either have sets that beat Chansey (Trick Latias, Mixed Gren, CM Florges), beat it outright (Thundy-T, Keldeo, Samurott), or just aren't particularly good (Thundy-I, Archeops, Nihilego). Sure, you can say that's because they aren't bothered by Toxic or are Fighting types, but like, why would I run Chansey in a tier where those are common? When compared to other walls like Slowking, Tangrowth, or Florges, I really see no reason to run Chansey on anything but hard stall, which sees no usage, leaving it with no real reason to be UU proper.
No, you are wrong.
Chansey isn't a stall exclusive Pokémon, so you can comfortably run said Chansey on any build outside of maybe Hyper Offense and still play out very well.
Thundurus-T doesn't beat Chansey if it runs Counterspell over Seismic Toss. Honestly a healthy Chansey is 1v1ing Samurott if it's not physical either. And yes, Trick sets exist in every single tier, that doesn't make Chansey an unviable Pokémon, especially since shit like Specs Latias isn't even that good in a metagame where death is one Pursuit away. It's mentioned why use Chansey in a tier where Slowking, Florges and Tangrowth exist. Slowking doesn't check every special Attacker in the tier, Tangrowth is a PhysDef wall and Florges is overhyped with a ton of it's own unique problems Chansey doesn't have to deal with. Mesprit does not cast any substitutes on Chansey since every Chansey set brings a move to break Substitutes (stop using that booty set and just run utility pivot PLEASE). Darm-Zen (something missed ig) do not beat a healthy Chansey either. Just like most of the Pokémon you brought up have "ways around Chansey", Chansey does too. Chansey doesn't only have 4 moves in it's movepool, you can drop Seismic Toss for Counterspell since as you said yourself, a bunch of Nasty Plot breakers and special fighting types be running around in the tier. You can drop Toxic for Thunder Wave, and most of the offensive Pokémon Chansey faces become useless. No one actually runs offensive Aegi for some reason anyways so in practice Chansey just Teleports out to the Dark/Ground of choice.
That first point about untested UU is very important btw. UU is imo completely untested even after all this time imo. No one used Mienshao, the banned from UU Pokémon, until a couple weeks ago. People are convinced that Florges is an A+ rank Ubermensch Pokémon because the most offensive Steel anyone ever puts on their team, if any at all, is a 16 Atk EVs Scizor, and even then I had to put people on that. No one thinks Thundy-I is good despite 10 years of competitive Pokémon history and being banned from every single iteration of UU including this generation's one stating otherwise. Tail Glow Xurkitree with BoltBeam coverage, is an RU Pokémon, only because no one ever decided to use it. I've gone on record begging people to start running Aegislash sets that are not SubToxic, ironically the ONLY Aegislash set that let's Chansey play around it for free. I've never seen anyone click Pursuit once since Latios was banned 4 or so months ago. I'm pretty sure I had to argue why Rotom-Heat of all things shouldn't drop to RU last week. Nobody (myself included) really has no true idea what the hell is Jolte UU doing, cuz it's only 5 guys playing, and you can only gain so much meta development from 5 or 6 closeminded players fighting each other once a week.
So I am sorry if I am not convinced that Chansey isn't UU material if the only actual substantial argument is "I never used it, I never faced it". It's just wrong.
Thundurus-T doesn't beat Chansey if it runs Counterspell over Seismic Toss. Honestly a healthy Chansey is 1v1ing Samurott if it's not physical either. And yes, Trick sets exist in every single tier, that doesn't make Chansey an unviable Pokémon, especially since shit like Specs Latias isn't even that good in a metagame where death is one Pursuit away. It's mentioned why use Chansey in a tier where Slowking, Florges and Tangrowth exist. Slowking doesn't check every special Attacker in the tier, Tangrowth is a PhysDef wall and Florges is overhyped with a ton of it's own unique problems Chansey doesn't have to deal with. Mesprit does not cast any substitutes on Chansey since every Chansey set brings a move to break Substitutes (stop using that booty set and just run utility pivot PLEASE). Darm-Zen (something missed ig) do not beat a healthy Chansey either. Just like most of the Pokémon you brought up have "ways around Chansey", Chansey does too. Chansey doesn't only have 4 moves in it's movepool, you can drop Seismic Toss for Counterspell since as you said yourself, a bunch of Nasty Plot breakers and special fighting types be running around in the tier. You can drop Toxic for Thunder Wave, and most of the offensive Pokémon Chansey faces become useless. No one actually runs offensive Aegi for some reason anyways so in practice Chansey just Teleports out to the Dark/Ground of choice.
That first point about untested UU is very important btw. UU is imo completely untested even after all this time imo. No one used Mienshao, the banned from UU Pokémon, until a couple weeks ago. People are convinced that Florges is an A+ rank Ubermensch Pokémon because the most offensive Steel anyone ever puts on their team, if any at all, is a 16 Atk EVs Scizor, and even then I had to put people on that. No one thinks Thundy-I is good despite 10 years of competitive Pokémon history and being banned from every single iteration of UU including this generation's one stating otherwise. Tail Glow Xurkitree with BoltBeam coverage, is an RU Pokémon, only because no one ever decided to use it. I've gone on record begging people to start running Aegislash sets that are not SubToxic, ironically the ONLY Aegislash set that let's Chansey play around it for free. I've never seen anyone click Pursuit once since Latios was banned 4 or so months ago. I'm pretty sure I had to argue why Rotom-Heat of all things shouldn't drop to RU last week. Nobody (myself included) really has no true idea what the hell is Jolte UU doing, cuz it's only 5 guys playing, and you can only gain so much meta development from 5 or 6 closeminded players fighting each other once a week.
So I am sorry if I am not convinced that Chansey isn't UU material if the only actual substantial argument is "I never used it, I never faced it". It's just wrong.
Hello!
As you probably expected when you first looked at the list of Notable RU Pokemon and thought to yourself "THAT Pokemon is RU?", we have some early quickbans! We're deciding to do these specifically before this week's roomtour, which will be an RU roomtour tomorrow at 4 PM EST by the way (let me know if that doesn't work for you and we'll see if we can adjust things), as they're likely to make the tier, and therefore the tournament, a lot more fun. With it, we also have a couple quickdrops as a couple Pokemon in RUBL don't seem quite broken enough to not run around in RU. Without further adieu, here they are!
Quickbans
Chansey
Yeah, this experiment went great, didn't it. Probably the first thing you figured was out of place in RU was Chansey, given its reputation and ability to singlehandedly make broken Special Attackers balanced and good Special Attackers irrelevant. But, since it barely saw any play in a seemingly less Chansey-friendly UU (though it probably only seemed this way because of how wonky UU's too long yet too shallow development was, read the above post for more), we figured that we'd give it a shot down in RU. And it proved very quickly that we were greatly mistaken. Chansey did Chansey things and, in a tier with a lower power level, that made it extremely hard to deal with. Plus, thanks to Teleport, it got to enable some of the strong attackers we have in the tier. While I honestly didn't expect Chansey to be the first thing to go, I figured its time would come eventually and that time is now.
Mega Sharpedo
Another Pokémon I actually didn't expect to go this early, but once you face it you'll realize how insane it is in this meta. To put it simply, if your team is little bit weakened and Mega Sharpedo hits the field at the right time, you just lose. Now, what I described to you is just the definition of a cleaner, which obviously isn't broken by itself, but the thing about Mega Sharpedo was just how easy it was to set it up for victory. If your team lacked Wormadam-Sandy or a very bulky Fairy and your physical wall gets chipped a little bit (which was not hard considering how good hazards are right now), it was over unless you had strong priority. The only other viable checks were Defensive Kommo-o and Chesnaught, who would just get folded by the recent development of Psychic Fangs, and bulky Waters, who are passive and often get 2HKOd by Crunch anyway. Playing against Mega Sharpedo is the definition of walking on eggshells, especially since a well played Sharpedo can come in multiple times a game and threaten a sweep, preserving its pre-Mega Speed Boost until just the right moment. Thus, Mega Sharpedo proves to be just too scary to stay in the tier right now.
Light Clay (from UU)
Oh, you thought we were done tiering UU? Light Clay has been brought up often as something that should be banned from RU because the lower down the tiering rung you go, the stronger Hyper Offense builds get when they have access to Light Clay. While Screens teams haven't really been able to do much, we pretty much all knew that as soon as someone actually good at playing/building Hyper Offense (read: not me lmao) would make everyone realize how broken it was. I mean, both Grimmsnarl and Kommo-o are in this tier. However, since they hadn't done anything quite yet, we were unsure if we should preemptively ban it or not. That's when we remembered that screens HO is actually extremely powerful in UU, being more than banworthy there with great screens setters in Regieleki and Mesprit, and great abusers in Azumarill, Samurott, Mimikyu, Bisharp, and RU's Kommo-o. Thus, we feel that we should ban Light Clay from UU, which in turn bans it from RU, likely stopping a big problem before it can ever start.
That's all for quickbans right now, the next batch likely won't be until after tomorrow's roomtour at 4 PM EST, but we have our eyes on some Pokemon in particular, especially since Chansey's departure makes special attackers a lot better. Xurkitree and Raichu-Alola specifically have been mentioned as having the potential to break the tier wide open, which'll just be easier with Chansey gone.
In addition to the quickbans, we do have two quickdrops from RUBL to add as well:
Quickdrops
Archeops
On paper, you'd think Archeops would be a great Pokemon in UU or even OU thanks to its great statline, surprisingly diverse movepool, and now having an ability that doesn't actively nerf it. But, in practice, it's been hard for Archeops to find its place anywhere due to a combination of 4MSS, good Steel-types, and having to deal with a Stealth Rock weakness, since it usually forgoes Boots for a Choice item or Power Herb. Not to mention, its awful defensive typing and bulk leave it open to being revenge killed by anything faster. Thus, many have been wanting to try out Archeops in RU, as these same problems will still plague it, just not as badly, and I'm more than willing to oblige. This seems like the tier where the much hyped Archeops will finally shine (assuming it's not broken), so I'm interested to see how it performs.
Nihilego
I could give a wall of text for this one, but the explanation here is very simple: Nihilego is currently legal in RU by mistake, but it has proven to not only be balanced, but a healthy addition to the tier, so we're officially dropping it down. With Chansey leaving, time will tell if it does end up being too much after all, but as of now it can stay.
And that's all for now! Like I said, RU's first roomtour will be tomorrow at 4 PM EST, so I hope to see you there to help us find more broken things!
See you then!
As you probably expected when you first looked at the list of Notable RU Pokemon and thought to yourself "THAT Pokemon is RU?", we have some early quickbans! We're deciding to do these specifically before this week's roomtour, which will be an RU roomtour tomorrow at 4 PM EST by the way (let me know if that doesn't work for you and we'll see if we can adjust things), as they're likely to make the tier, and therefore the tournament, a lot more fun. With it, we also have a couple quickdrops as a couple Pokemon in RUBL don't seem quite broken enough to not run around in RU. Without further adieu, here they are!
Quickbans
Chansey
Yeah, this experiment went great, didn't it. Probably the first thing you figured was out of place in RU was Chansey, given its reputation and ability to singlehandedly make broken Special Attackers balanced and good Special Attackers irrelevant. But, since it barely saw any play in a seemingly less Chansey-friendly UU (though it probably only seemed this way because of how wonky UU's too long yet too shallow development was, read the above post for more), we figured that we'd give it a shot down in RU. And it proved very quickly that we were greatly mistaken. Chansey did Chansey things and, in a tier with a lower power level, that made it extremely hard to deal with. Plus, thanks to Teleport, it got to enable some of the strong attackers we have in the tier. While I honestly didn't expect Chansey to be the first thing to go, I figured its time would come eventually and that time is now.
Mega Sharpedo
Another Pokémon I actually didn't expect to go this early, but once you face it you'll realize how insane it is in this meta. To put it simply, if your team is little bit weakened and Mega Sharpedo hits the field at the right time, you just lose. Now, what I described to you is just the definition of a cleaner, which obviously isn't broken by itself, but the thing about Mega Sharpedo was just how easy it was to set it up for victory. If your team lacked Wormadam-Sandy or a very bulky Fairy and your physical wall gets chipped a little bit (which was not hard considering how good hazards are right now), it was over unless you had strong priority. The only other viable checks were Defensive Kommo-o and Chesnaught, who would just get folded by the recent development of Psychic Fangs, and bulky Waters, who are passive and often get 2HKOd by Crunch anyway. Playing against Mega Sharpedo is the definition of walking on eggshells, especially since a well played Sharpedo can come in multiple times a game and threaten a sweep, preserving its pre-Mega Speed Boost until just the right moment. Thus, Mega Sharpedo proves to be just too scary to stay in the tier right now.
Light Clay (from UU)
Oh, you thought we were done tiering UU? Light Clay has been brought up often as something that should be banned from RU because the lower down the tiering rung you go, the stronger Hyper Offense builds get when they have access to Light Clay. While Screens teams haven't really been able to do much, we pretty much all knew that as soon as someone actually good at playing/building Hyper Offense (read: not me lmao) would make everyone realize how broken it was. I mean, both Grimmsnarl and Kommo-o are in this tier. However, since they hadn't done anything quite yet, we were unsure if we should preemptively ban it or not. That's when we remembered that screens HO is actually extremely powerful in UU, being more than banworthy there with great screens setters in Regieleki and Mesprit, and great abusers in Azumarill, Samurott, Mimikyu, Bisharp, and RU's Kommo-o. Thus, we feel that we should ban Light Clay from UU, which in turn bans it from RU, likely stopping a big problem before it can ever start.
That's all for quickbans right now, the next batch likely won't be until after tomorrow's roomtour at 4 PM EST, but we have our eyes on some Pokemon in particular, especially since Chansey's departure makes special attackers a lot better. Xurkitree and Raichu-Alola specifically have been mentioned as having the potential to break the tier wide open, which'll just be easier with Chansey gone.
In addition to the quickbans, we do have two quickdrops from RUBL to add as well:
Quickdrops
Archeops
On paper, you'd think Archeops would be a great Pokemon in UU or even OU thanks to its great statline, surprisingly diverse movepool, and now having an ability that doesn't actively nerf it. But, in practice, it's been hard for Archeops to find its place anywhere due to a combination of 4MSS, good Steel-types, and having to deal with a Stealth Rock weakness, since it usually forgoes Boots for a Choice item or Power Herb. Not to mention, its awful defensive typing and bulk leave it open to being revenge killed by anything faster. Thus, many have been wanting to try out Archeops in RU, as these same problems will still plague it, just not as badly, and I'm more than willing to oblige. This seems like the tier where the much hyped Archeops will finally shine (assuming it's not broken), so I'm interested to see how it performs.
Nihilego
I could give a wall of text for this one, but the explanation here is very simple: Nihilego is currently legal in RU by mistake, but it has proven to not only be balanced, but a healthy addition to the tier, so we're officially dropping it down. With Chansey leaving, time will tell if it does end up being too much after all, but as of now it can stay.
And that's all for now! Like I said, RU's first roomtour will be tomorrow at 4 PM EST, so I hope to see you there to help us find more broken things!
See you then!
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The first RU Roomtour took place today, let's see how we're starting off the tier!
Tour 15 - JolteMons RU - Round Robin - 4 Entrants
1st: The Damned
2nd: diamondstriker9
3rd: G-Luke
4th: Superior Serperior
JolteMons RU Roomtour Usage Stats
Leads
Some Quick Takeaways:
- This was a strange, strange tournament. We had Cryogonals putting in work, Cloyster smashing people (well that one's not that weird), new glitches, weathers all around, a Thwackey sighting, and everything in-between.
- Some things were expected though, like high Uxie usage, as it's one of the best bulky pivots in the tier and high Mega Sceptile usage, as being the fastest viable Pokemon makes it very appealing
- Some Eviolith users made appearances, with Scyther not really being able to do much despite some hype coming in, Sneasel would've gotten a countersweep had it not for it getting a min roll on Triple Axel, and Thwackey came out of nowhere and actually put in a little work
- Another way that the tournament was a little strange was the lack of some of the best Pokemon in the tier, namely Nihilego, Hariyama, Chesnaught, Aromatisse, and Kommo-o
- Very glad to see Salamence usage, I believe this was the first time it's been used in the tier so far, but more people should give it a try as I think it should be a pretty good mon
- Archeops didn't do too great in its first tournament as an RU mon, but it still has all the potential in the world
- In its 1 use, Xuriktree got to Volt Switch all over the opponent's team since they lacked a Ground-type and then cleaned up with Thunderbolts, showing just how insane it can be against teams without Electric immunities, while still being great against teams that do thanks to Aurora Beam and Energy Ball
And that's all for now! See you soon any potential quickbans, new projects, or anything else we have planned!
Tour 15 - JolteMons RU - Round Robin - 4 Entrants
1st: The Damned
2nd: diamondstriker9
3rd: G-Luke
4th: Superior Serperior
Code:
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Uxie | 4 | 33.33% | 75.00% |
| 1 | Dusknoir | 4 | 33.33% | 50.00% |
| 1 | Sceptile | 4 | 33.33% | 25.00% |
| 4 | Rhyperior | 3 | 25.00% | 100.00% |
| 4 | Houndoom | 3 | 25.00% | 66.67% |
| 4 | Cloyster | 3 | 25.00% | 66.67% |
| 4 | Scyther | 3 | 25.00% | 66.67% |
| 4 | Eelektross | 3 | 25.00% | 66.67% |
| 9 | Torkoal | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 9 | Absol | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 9 | Venusaur | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 9 | Cryogonal | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 9 | Articuno-Galar | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 9 | Lucario | 2 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 9 | Crobat | 2 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 9 | Skuntank | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 9 | Archeops | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 9 | Palossand | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 9 | Tentacruel | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Registeel | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 20 | Milotic | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 20 | Silvally | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 20 | Raikou | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 20 | Thwackey | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 20 | Xurkitree | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 20 | Jellicent | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 20 | Braviary | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Lycanroc-Dusk | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Sneasel | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Salamence | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Breloom | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Steelix | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Staraptor | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Glaceon | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Arctovish | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Centiskorch | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Gligar | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Vaporeon | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| - | Gourgeist-* | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Seismitoad | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Darmanitan | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Regigigas | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 20 | Gourgeist-Super | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
Code:
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| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
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| 1 | Uxie | 3 | 25.00% | 66.67% |
| 2 | Skuntank | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 3 | Absol | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Milotic | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Xurkitree | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Cryogonal | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Sneasel | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 3 | Glaceon | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
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Some Quick Takeaways:
- This was a strange, strange tournament. We had Cryogonals putting in work, Cloyster smashing people (well that one's not that weird), new glitches, weathers all around, a Thwackey sighting, and everything in-between.
- Some things were expected though, like high Uxie usage, as it's one of the best bulky pivots in the tier and high Mega Sceptile usage, as being the fastest viable Pokemon makes it very appealing
- Some Eviolith users made appearances, with Scyther not really being able to do much despite some hype coming in, Sneasel would've gotten a countersweep had it not for it getting a min roll on Triple Axel, and Thwackey came out of nowhere and actually put in a little work
- Another way that the tournament was a little strange was the lack of some of the best Pokemon in the tier, namely Nihilego, Hariyama, Chesnaught, Aromatisse, and Kommo-o
- Very glad to see Salamence usage, I believe this was the first time it's been used in the tier so far, but more people should give it a try as I think it should be a pretty good mon
- Archeops didn't do too great in its first tournament as an RU mon, but it still has all the potential in the world
- In its 1 use, Xuriktree got to Volt Switch all over the opponent's team since they lacked a Ground-type and then cleaned up with Thunderbolts, showing just how insane it can be against teams without Electric immunities, while still being great against teams that do thanks to Aurora Beam and Energy Ball
And that's all for now! See you soon any potential quickbans, new projects, or anything else we have planned!
I feel like RU right now post "Alpha" is just as stable a metagame as UU right now, after months of development. I won't say it is a better metagame, but it definitely is the RU to it's UU, and is a refreshing change of pace. I can confidently speak on what I have observed so far, and what I recommend/dissuade. I wanna talk about stuff I've been using that I think are good right now, and stuff I think should leave the tier in the short and/or long term to foster a healthier meta. Might talk about stinkers that are quickly becoming noob traps too.
The Good
Sceptile @ Sceptilite
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Overgrow
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Synthesis
Mega Sceptile is GOOD. Like, really good. It's pound for pound the best Mega in the tier right now, sporting a blazing 145 speed that puts it above everything else, and Optimistic Leaf Storm is an extremely difficult move to swap into consistently if you aren't a resist. Personally if it were not for Aromatisse in addition to a few other key Pokémon, I'd move this threat into "Ugly" territory, it's just that strong. Dual STAB + Focus Blast clocks everything it needs to, and it doesn't really have suitable coverage for much else, so Synthesis rounds out the last slot so it can heal chip.
Raikou @ Shell Bell
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Ability: Neuroforce
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Aurora Beam
- Scald / Hidden Power [Grass]
In hindsight, do I gladly think that Aurora Beam was a great addition to Raikou? Can't say I do. Despite that, Raikou imo sits where Sceptile sits with being right on the border of ugly, since Aurora Beam finally gives it the means of breaking past multitude of Grass types and Dragon types that usually hold Raikou at bay. Right now at this moment it holds firm as a strong offensive pivot and doesn't extert TOO much pressure, but I won't be surprised if it bites the bullet in the near distant future.
Togekiss @ Heavy Duty Boots
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Serene Grace
Timid Nature
- Sky Soiree
- Heal Bell
- Flamethrower
- Roost
I still maintain that all of the Fiery Dance clones are horrible ideas and are pretty unnecessary / break game design. Sky Soiree in particular is really dumb since Flying type doesn't need a risk free super spammable STAB, and Sky Soiree on a Serene Grace Flying type Pokémon is plain moronic. Togekiss isn't dumb so far though. Maybe it's the splashability of it's defensive hard walls, maybe it's the overwhelming presence of something like Xurkitree. Not too sure, but playing against Togekiss demands respect and certain Pokémon to check it, but alot of these mons are pretty good enough to warrant slots rn regardless. As is, Togekiss is a stallbreaker extraordinare. The set I highlighted focuses mainly on blanket checking a large amount of threats like Hariyama, Mega Sceptile, Mega Absol, Flygon, Breloom among others, but a dedicated Stallbreaker set with NP/Refresh/Sky/Roost is crazy enough to crack stall while still doing more or less the same thing the pivot one does. Very strong mon, thank god for Rock types. Speaking of...
Rhyperior @ Protector / Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD
Ability: Magma Armor / Solid Rock
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Arid Absorption / Toxic
- Stealth Rock / Rapid Spin
The perfect storm of assorted buffs, new tools and adjustments have made Rhyperior into the tier's chief bulky tank, holding off a multitude of Pokémon with it's quite frankly ridiculous assortment of utility and role compression it adds to a team. Magma Armor + Protector + Arid Absorption completely flips the matchup against bulky Waters, Rhyperior's most consistent bane in standard, making so that Scald's biggest detraction against it is inflicting a Burn.
If checking Flying types are more your speed, I suggest Solid Rock + Leftovers suits you more, as most of them rely on Ground/Fighting coverage to get past Rhyp and the extra Lefties could be the difference between living the hit and fainting. Either way, dual STAB covers you well, Arid heals off any unnecessary chip you may get and the choice between Rocks or Spin depends on build. I prefer rocks since quite a few Spinblockers in the tier get the jump on Rhyp very easily, so if you do feel pressed to run Spin, you might want to look into Toxic.
Gourgeist-Super
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Ability: Light Power
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
- Fire Blast
- Synthesis
Gourgeist-Super comes in to wreck house as a strong Ground type check and menacing wallbreaker thanks to the power of Light Power Shadow Ball. I've been using no item Gourg-S on this particular bulky variant to minimize Knock Off while also gaining a Poltergeist immunity, and it has performed pretty well, praying on people who rely on frail Dark checks like Sneasel and Absol to 1v1 a healthy Gourg. Nasty Plot is probably still a dangerous set, as is Specs, and sets like those would lean into more speed to creep walls. Shadow Ball is the main STAB and blows big chunks even without any boosting. Giga Drain is nice for doing great damage while healing, and Fire Blast rounds out the coverage, allowing it to bypass Grasses. Synthesis gives a tanky set like this sustain.
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 SpD
Ability: Prickly Coat
Careful Nature
- Spikes
- Drain Punch
- Synthesis
- Wood Hammer
I've been using SpD Chesnaught to stave off Electric types and Water types while still holding it's own against physical Grounds and Rocks, and I say so far it's doing God's work in being a solid glue mon. It's not perfect since a mon like this let's in ALOT for free, but it blanks just as much threats and is a solid fit for this reason. PhysDef variants are still awesome at the job, but hearing Beaf speak on SpD made me want to try it out and so far I am impressed. It's physical bulk is still good enough as to being able to trigger Prickly Coat against a lot of weaker physical hits, and is one of the best Knock Off punishes in the game rn. It's only fault so far is letting in every single Flying type in the tier absolutely for free, greatly cutting into it's effectiveness, and essentially demanding you carry anti bird measures on your squad. That being said, I still find it's presence very useful.
Sneasel @ Eviolith
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Ability: Inner Focus
Jolly Nature
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Ice Shard
- Pursuit / Low Kick
Took awhile for me to appreciate him, but Sneasel fucks. 115 Speed is great, Pursuit is one of the best moves in the game, and Dark/Ice is REALLY hard to swap into right now. I've seen SD sets but honestly I like it when Sneasel hits the ground running hard and Pursuit is too good a tool to forfeit imo. Inner Focus blocking Intimidate feels like sick, twisted joke made to laugh at Weavile in OU. Low Kick is primarily so Pokémon like Rhyperior don't feel cheeky in dodging a Triple Axel hit, while also doing big damage to Registeel and Steelix.
Crobat @ Heavy Duty Boots
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Def / 200 Spe
Ability: Infiltrator
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- U-Turn
- Roost
- Defog
Crobat is based. I don't think enough people are running him. I implore people to stop tryna run that yeeyee ass Optimistic Curse set, it's biggest strength rn is it's great defensive typing and decent bulk. EVs are pretty much standard RU ones, I have no idea what they hit but I trust RU people. If Defog is not necessary on your Crobat build, you can slot Toxic for Rhyperior and bulky mons in general, Taunt to annoy funny stallmons and Steelix and Super Fang to do big Chip to things like Metagross and Registeel on the switch. It's all around a potent Pokémon and something I recommend.
The Bad
I don't think these Pokémon are terrible. I think they are like "ok". But way too much Pokémon rn exist that threaten them out or fulfill the roles that they want to fulfill alot better imo. Scyther is just blanked by almost all of the Steels in the tier, and the lot of them aren't easily MagPulled by Magneton either. U-turn probably helps you out but rn I don't think it's an RU mainstay, more like a NUBL niche threat. Skuntank fills the same boat I fear. It's just far too weak to do what it really wants to do. I've seen offensive sets struggle, Pursuit sets be outclassed and PhysDef sets be funny but ultimately not really effective walls. Mon has too much tools in it's slot for it's own good. Lickilicky is a mix between Aromatisse and Snorlax that doesn't threaten out enough shit for me to wall. It just sits and gets set up on. Lumi is ass, too much bulky Water types exist and they are everywhere. It's not doing enough to them to justify being run on a team. There are probably more but I feel these are the more obvious and most popular dubious picks. As the meta develops, I can see some of them maybe rise up in the ranks but as for now I think they are stinkers.
The Ugly
These Pokémon, whether outright broken or not, I feel put too much strain on the metagame and are best left to UU or RUBL. They just eat up diversity and are over centralizing and not good and are probably stinky.
Xurkitree @ Soul Blade
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Beast Boost
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Thunderbolt
- Energy Ball
- Aurora Beam
Xurkitree is definitely broken. The addition of Aurora Beam alone heavily limits what can reasonably switch into Xurk at any given time, things like Goodra and literally all Grass types would have been great counterplay but get heavily annoyed by Aurora Beam, doing big Chip and even 2hkoing them respectively. Shell Bell AoA and Choice Scarf are emblematic of these traits, with the former being a potent offensive pivot, trading the speed tier of Raikou for overwhelming power, and Scarf having frightening snowball potential. These traits already put it on par with the arguably borderline Raikou or arguably a bit higher. Ofc, Tail Glow exists, and now we can only wonder "Why are you here?". After a Tail Glow ALL bets are off. Nothing is walling you in the tier after one of these, do it's literally a game of sackamole, and if your team has nothing that creeps it? RIP.
Hariyama @ Toxic Orb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Toxic Boost
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Facade
- Knock Off
- Sky Uppercut / Bullet Punch
Hariyama is easily the most devasting physical wallbreaker in the tier right now, and is definitely the best Fighting type. It's list of switchins to it's standard set can be selected on one hand, and due to that it's pretty hard to punish and would rely on some rather unreliable answers like Wormadam-Sandy and Weezing-Galar, which it can tech for with Fire Punch and Heavy Slam respectively. Imo it's biggest assault is how it basically monopolizes the Fighting type slot. RU's greatest claim is how multiple diverse Fighting types thrive side by side with each other, and Hariyama just chokes the variety out of the tier. Hariyama plays like better Conk and that mon is already a bit suspect, and it plays cool in UU easily, I rather see it there than to dominate everything here.
Staraptor @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Scavenge / Reckless
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double Edge
- Close Combat
- Quick Attack / U-turn
Staraptor has zero switchins. Defensive counterplay falls down to "can you outpredict the predictor?", and the Bird user always has the advantage. New tool Scavenge allows Staraptor to cleave holes while simultaneously getting rid of recoil and or SR chip. Dual STABs are clear cut, and Close Combat hits everything that walls the combo sans Doublade, which can U-turn'd into a Pursuit Trapper lol. Mon is nuts, and this isn't even counting Choice Scarf, that sacrifices tearing walls apart for the much calmer alternative of cleaning up every offensive team ever, and Scavenge is even better on here, since it's revengekilling alot it will most likely want that sustain for late game. Honestly get this out of here.
Ok, these are my thoughts on Week one of RU, it's very enjoyable, yes I skipped over alot of shit but I can't highlight EVERYTHING I got success with. Cheers.
The Good
Sceptile @ Sceptilite
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Overgrow
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Synthesis
Mega Sceptile is GOOD. Like, really good. It's pound for pound the best Mega in the tier right now, sporting a blazing 145 speed that puts it above everything else, and Optimistic Leaf Storm is an extremely difficult move to swap into consistently if you aren't a resist. Personally if it were not for Aromatisse in addition to a few other key Pokémon, I'd move this threat into "Ugly" territory, it's just that strong. Dual STAB + Focus Blast clocks everything it needs to, and it doesn't really have suitable coverage for much else, so Synthesis rounds out the last slot so it can heal chip.
Raikou @ Shell Bell
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Ability: Neuroforce
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Aurora Beam
- Scald / Hidden Power [Grass]
In hindsight, do I gladly think that Aurora Beam was a great addition to Raikou? Can't say I do. Despite that, Raikou imo sits where Sceptile sits with being right on the border of ugly, since Aurora Beam finally gives it the means of breaking past multitude of Grass types and Dragon types that usually hold Raikou at bay. Right now at this moment it holds firm as a strong offensive pivot and doesn't extert TOO much pressure, but I won't be surprised if it bites the bullet in the near distant future.
Togekiss @ Heavy Duty Boots
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Serene Grace
Timid Nature
- Sky Soiree
- Heal Bell
- Flamethrower
- Roost
I still maintain that all of the Fiery Dance clones are horrible ideas and are pretty unnecessary / break game design. Sky Soiree in particular is really dumb since Flying type doesn't need a risk free super spammable STAB, and Sky Soiree on a Serene Grace Flying type Pokémon is plain moronic. Togekiss isn't dumb so far though. Maybe it's the splashability of it's defensive hard walls, maybe it's the overwhelming presence of something like Xurkitree. Not too sure, but playing against Togekiss demands respect and certain Pokémon to check it, but alot of these mons are pretty good enough to warrant slots rn regardless. As is, Togekiss is a stallbreaker extraordinare. The set I highlighted focuses mainly on blanket checking a large amount of threats like Hariyama, Mega Sceptile, Mega Absol, Flygon, Breloom among others, but a dedicated Stallbreaker set with NP/Refresh/Sky/Roost is crazy enough to crack stall while still doing more or less the same thing the pivot one does. Very strong mon, thank god for Rock types. Speaking of...
Rhyperior @ Protector / Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD
Ability: Magma Armor / Solid Rock
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Arid Absorption / Toxic
- Stealth Rock / Rapid Spin
The perfect storm of assorted buffs, new tools and adjustments have made Rhyperior into the tier's chief bulky tank, holding off a multitude of Pokémon with it's quite frankly ridiculous assortment of utility and role compression it adds to a team. Magma Armor + Protector + Arid Absorption completely flips the matchup against bulky Waters, Rhyperior's most consistent bane in standard, making so that Scald's biggest detraction against it is inflicting a Burn.
Sun and Solid Rock simulates Magma Armor and Protector respectively.
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior in Sun: 135-162 (31.1 - 37.3%) -- 71.4% chance to 3HKO
0 SpA Milotic Scald vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior in Sun: 147-174 (33.8 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Gastrodon Scald vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior in Sun: 135-162 (31.1 - 37.3%) -- 71.4% chance to 3HKO
Going from guaranteed 2HKOes to chances to 3HKO is big.
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior in Sun: 135-162 (31.1 - 37.3%) -- 71.4% chance to 3HKO
0 SpA Milotic Scald vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior in Sun: 147-174 (33.8 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Gastrodon Scald vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior in Sun: 135-162 (31.1 - 37.3%) -- 71.4% chance to 3HKO
Going from guaranteed 2HKOes to chances to 3HKO is big.
Gourgeist-Super
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Ability: Light Power
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
- Fire Blast
- Synthesis
Gourgeist-Super comes in to wreck house as a strong Ground type check and menacing wallbreaker thanks to the power of Light Power Shadow Ball. I've been using no item Gourg-S on this particular bulky variant to minimize Knock Off while also gaining a Poltergeist immunity, and it has performed pretty well, praying on people who rely on frail Dark checks like Sneasel and Absol to 1v1 a healthy Gourg. Nasty Plot is probably still a dangerous set, as is Specs, and sets like those would lean into more speed to creep walls. Shadow Ball is the main STAB and blows big chunks even without any boosting. Giga Drain is nice for doing great damage while healing, and Fire Blast rounds out the coverage, allowing it to bypass Grasses. Synthesis gives a tanky set like this sustain.
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 SpD
Ability: Prickly Coat
Careful Nature
- Spikes
- Drain Punch
- Synthesis
- Wood Hammer
I've been using SpD Chesnaught to stave off Electric types and Water types while still holding it's own against physical Grounds and Rocks, and I say so far it's doing God's work in being a solid glue mon. It's not perfect since a mon like this let's in ALOT for free, but it blanks just as much threats and is a solid fit for this reason. PhysDef variants are still awesome at the job, but hearing Beaf speak on SpD made me want to try it out and so far I am impressed. It's physical bulk is still good enough as to being able to trigger Prickly Coat against a lot of weaker physical hits, and is one of the best Knock Off punishes in the game rn. It's only fault so far is letting in every single Flying type in the tier absolutely for free, greatly cutting into it's effectiveness, and essentially demanding you carry anti bird measures on your squad. That being said, I still find it's presence very useful.
Sneasel @ Eviolith
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Ability: Inner Focus
Jolly Nature
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Ice Shard
- Pursuit / Low Kick
Took awhile for me to appreciate him, but Sneasel fucks. 115 Speed is great, Pursuit is one of the best moves in the game, and Dark/Ice is REALLY hard to swap into right now. I've seen SD sets but honestly I like it when Sneasel hits the ground running hard and Pursuit is too good a tool to forfeit imo. Inner Focus blocking Intimidate feels like sick, twisted joke made to laugh at Weavile in OU. Low Kick is primarily so Pokémon like Rhyperior don't feel cheeky in dodging a Triple Axel hit, while also doing big damage to Registeel and Steelix.
Crobat @ Heavy Duty Boots
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Def / 200 Spe
Ability: Infiltrator
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- U-Turn
- Roost
- Defog
Crobat is based. I don't think enough people are running him. I implore people to stop tryna run that yeeyee ass Optimistic Curse set, it's biggest strength rn is it's great defensive typing and decent bulk. EVs are pretty much standard RU ones, I have no idea what they hit but I trust RU people. If Defog is not necessary on your Crobat build, you can slot Toxic for Rhyperior and bulky mons in general, Taunt to annoy funny stallmons and Steelix and Super Fang to do big Chip to things like Metagross and Registeel on the switch. It's all around a potent Pokémon and something I recommend.
The Bad
I don't think these Pokémon are terrible. I think they are like "ok". But way too much Pokémon rn exist that threaten them out or fulfill the roles that they want to fulfill alot better imo. Scyther is just blanked by almost all of the Steels in the tier, and the lot of them aren't easily MagPulled by Magneton either. U-turn probably helps you out but rn I don't think it's an RU mainstay, more like a NUBL niche threat. Skuntank fills the same boat I fear. It's just far too weak to do what it really wants to do. I've seen offensive sets struggle, Pursuit sets be outclassed and PhysDef sets be funny but ultimately not really effective walls. Mon has too much tools in it's slot for it's own good. Lickilicky is a mix between Aromatisse and Snorlax that doesn't threaten out enough shit for me to wall. It just sits and gets set up on. Lumi is ass, too much bulky Water types exist and they are everywhere. It's not doing enough to them to justify being run on a team. There are probably more but I feel these are the more obvious and most popular dubious picks. As the meta develops, I can see some of them maybe rise up in the ranks but as for now I think they are stinkers.
The Ugly
These Pokémon, whether outright broken or not, I feel put too much strain on the metagame and are best left to UU or RUBL. They just eat up diversity and are over centralizing and not good and are probably stinky.
Xurkitree @ Soul Blade
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Beast Boost
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Thunderbolt
- Energy Ball
- Aurora Beam
Xurkitree is definitely broken. The addition of Aurora Beam alone heavily limits what can reasonably switch into Xurk at any given time, things like Goodra and literally all Grass types would have been great counterplay but get heavily annoyed by Aurora Beam, doing big Chip and even 2hkoing them respectively. Shell Bell AoA and Choice Scarf are emblematic of these traits, with the former being a potent offensive pivot, trading the speed tier of Raikou for overwhelming power, and Scarf having frightening snowball potential. These traits already put it on par with the arguably borderline Raikou or arguably a bit higher. Ofc, Tail Glow exists, and now we can only wonder "Why are you here?". After a Tail Glow ALL bets are off. Nothing is walling you in the tier after one of these, do it's literally a game of sackamole, and if your team has nothing that creeps it? RIP.
Hariyama @ Toxic Orb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Toxic Boost
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Facade
- Knock Off
- Sky Uppercut / Bullet Punch
Hariyama is easily the most devasting physical wallbreaker in the tier right now, and is definitely the best Fighting type. It's list of switchins to it's standard set can be selected on one hand, and due to that it's pretty hard to punish and would rely on some rather unreliable answers like Wormadam-Sandy and Weezing-Galar, which it can tech for with Fire Punch and Heavy Slam respectively. Imo it's biggest assault is how it basically monopolizes the Fighting type slot. RU's greatest claim is how multiple diverse Fighting types thrive side by side with each other, and Hariyama just chokes the variety out of the tier. Hariyama plays like better Conk and that mon is already a bit suspect, and it plays cool in UU easily, I rather see it there than to dominate everything here.
Staraptor @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Scavenge / Reckless
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Double Edge
- Close Combat
- Quick Attack / U-turn
Staraptor has zero switchins. Defensive counterplay falls down to "can you outpredict the predictor?", and the Bird user always has the advantage. New tool Scavenge allows Staraptor to cleave holes while simultaneously getting rid of recoil and or SR chip. Dual STABs are clear cut, and Close Combat hits everything that walls the combo sans Doublade, which can U-turn'd into a Pursuit Trapper lol. Mon is nuts, and this isn't even counting Choice Scarf, that sacrifices tearing walls apart for the much calmer alternative of cleaning up every offensive team ever, and Scavenge is even better on here, since it's revengekilling alot it will most likely want that sustain for late game. Honestly get this out of here.
Ok, these are my thoughts on Week one of RU, it's very enjoyable, yes I skipped over alot of shit but I can't highlight EVERYTHING I got success with. Cheers.
Hello!
RU has been developing nicely so far, but as you'd expect, the more and more we develop the tier, the more and more broken stuff we unveil. Thus, we have a few more quickbans today! And, slight spoiler alert, you've actually heard about how broken these Pokemon are before if you read the above post, so hopefully this wasn't too unexpected.
Quickbans
Xurkitree
Everybody was asking for it and now we've finally delivered. As soon as Chansey left the tier, Xurkitree was free to run through the entire tier with its sky high Special Attack, threatening Electric STAB, and all the tools needed to eliminate usual Electric checks with Aurora Beam and Energy Ball. This combination made Xurkitree an absolute nightmare to play against, further compounded by it having 3 perfectly viable sets that you have to consider in battle, being Tail Glow, AoA Shell Bell, and Choice Scarf. This, along with a recent reappraisal in UU, has made it clear to us that Xurkitree does not belong in this tier and will thus be leaving for UU.
Hariyama
Hariyama is quite simple to explain. It's a strong Fighting with an uber-buffed version of Guts in Toxic Boost with all the coverage it needs and one of the best STAB moves in the game. Thus, it's not hard to see that, despite poor special bulk and middling Speed, Hariyama was extremely difficult to answer defensively. Most of the time, when Hariyama entered the battlefield, something was dead or losing their item and there was nothing you could do about it. Plus, its weaknesses were easily shored up by using bulky pivots like Chansey (before it got banned) and Uxie, making Hariyama a constant threat to any team. While it's one of my personal favorite Pokemon to use, it's best for everyone that Hariyama goes up to UU, where it's recently shown to be able to hold its own anyway.
Staraptor
Even in a multi-tiered Pet Mod such as JolteMons, Staraptor still can't escape the BL curse. One of the Pokemon I was most excited to try out in RU, Staraptor quickly proved why it always seems to end up in BL, as it consistently destroys every actual tier it ends up in. To put it simply, basically 0 defensive counterplay to Staraptor exists. Most everything gets melted by Brave Bird and everything that doesn't gets smashed by Close Combat. While a glass cannon, Staraptor's access to Scavenge allowed it to stick around and threaten everything for longer, which could also allow it to outlast potential offensive counterplay like Archeops and Sneasel. Staraptor was admittedly less broken than Hariyama and Xurkitree thanks Pokemon like Uxie and Shell Bell Raikou, but it's enough of a menace to warrant getting the boot. Hopefully it finds a place in UU, though, it will face competition with Dodrio.
And that's all for bans for now! Will see if we need another batch before or after the tournament. Also, since these changes likely won't be live for until late tonight, if you have any serious objections with these bans, then please let us know on Discord in the #lower-tier-discussion channel.
Speaking of the next batch of bans, I'd like to quickly go over a few Pokemon that council has their eyes on
Watchlist
Conkeldurr
With Hariyama leaving, Conkeldurr will likely naturally ascend back to its spot as the top slow Fighting wallbreaker. However, Conk immediately finds its way on the watchlist because of just how similar it is to Hariyama. It's just a little slower and has even stronger attacks since it has 20 more Attack than the already powerful Hariyama. Thus, Conk looks like even more of a nightmare to handle defensively. However, it's a bit worse than Hariyama in many ways that might keep it from going as crazy, mainly that it has Guts instead of Toxic Boost, which makes Conk both physically frailer and puts it on a timer as it takes Burn damage. Plus, Conk is already specially frailer than Hariyama, so it's less comfortable to taking stray Special hits that Hariyama can. However, Conk can also opt for an Iron Fist set, which trades sheer power for longevity in Drain Punch, Other Fighting-types like Breloom and Heracross have similar traits, but the sheer strength of Conkeldurr and having access to both Mach Punch and Knock Off makes it the more concerning one in my opinion.
Raikou
Raikou is a weird Pokemon to handle. G-Luke has already gone into detail about how he feels about it in the post above and I largely agree with him. Raikou is pretty weak when it's not hitting stuff super effectively, but with Electric being such a good type and Volt Switch being such a good move, it's a bit hard to deal with when it's able to shut down Ground switch-ins with Aurora Beam and one of HP Grass or Scald. Not to mention, its good bulk and Shell Bell healing it while it Volt Switches can make it difficult to bring down. Raikou feels a lot like Tapu Koko in OU, a Shell Bell Electric pivot that's just strong enough to be scary but not overwhelming, except that Raikou is much better against RU's Ground than Koko is against OU's. The main thing keeping from being overtly busted it how weak it is on neutral hits, so for now it's just the premier offensive pivot of the tier that doubles as a good check to the tiers many great Water and Flying-types. In the future, however, I can see a future where we might want to get rid of it and rebuild from there.
Mega Sceptile & Togekiss
I combined these as, while they play completely differently, they make their ways on here for similar reason: they're both strong Special Attackers that easily ravage unprepared teams but both possess very viable counterplay. Mega Sceptile is more straightforward, really only having 1 set, but it's one good set. Optimistic Leaf Storm is absolutely insane (I mean, that one trait carried Sceptile to a B- Rank on OU's VR, you better believe it's good here, too) and its 145 Speed makes it by far the fastest viable Pokemon in the tier, getting a hefty jump on Crobat's 130. The main thing keeping it balanced is that Optimistic Leaf Storm is stuck on a horrible offensive typing that many viable Pokemon resist. Plus, a lot of those resists also take Dragon Pulse well while also not fearing Focus Blast, like Moltres, Uxie, Centiskorch, Muk, and Togekiss.
Speaking of Togekiss, it's a bit different in that it can very easily snowball out of control thanks to it always getting a SpA boost from Serene Grace Sky Soirees. This, along with everything else that Togekiss was already able to pull off, makes Togekiss an extremely scary wincon. However, the presence of multiple viable Rock and Electric-types like Rhyperior, Railkou, and Lycanroc-Dusk keep it from being able to sweep too easily. Plus, if one opts for Sky Soiree as their only setup move, Togekiss can run into problems with PP in longer games, allowing a patient player to survive its onslaught in the long run.
Overall, both of these Pokemon are plenty scary enough to find their way onto this watchlist, but as of now they should be fine to keep around.
Other Untested Pokemon
And lastly, there are plenty of Pokemon that could potentially be scary, but they just haven't been used much yet or the uses that do have haven't been too crazy (in the case of Durant). Not saying that any of these are scary yet, nor that these are the only potentially scary Pokemon in the tier, but these are just a few that I thought of and wanted to briefly highlight.
Both Venomoth and Scolipede are Bug/Poison setup sweepers with broken abilities that have made them overwhelming in other metagames with similar power levels, but multiple factors in this tier (hazards being super strong, more viable Fire and Flying-types, Uxie's existence, etc.) may make them not as strong as they were in other metas, which probably contributes to why they haven't been used at all so far.
- Kommo-o was one of the Pokemon that I thought would get banned super early, given that it's a perfectly fine Pokemon in OU and probably UU as well. However, after Light Clay got banned, Kommo-o has settled in as a decent defensive mon, with offensive sets being extremely unexplored right now
- Lastly, Diggersby and Durant are both extremely powerful physical attackers with strong priority, but Diggersby hasn't seen any usage and faces competition with Mega Kangaskhan and Regigigas, while Durant has gotten a bit of usage but hates Centiskorch and all the viable First Impression resists we have
And that's all for now! See you soon!
RU has been developing nicely so far, but as you'd expect, the more and more we develop the tier, the more and more broken stuff we unveil. Thus, we have a few more quickbans today! And, slight spoiler alert, you've actually heard about how broken these Pokemon are before if you read the above post, so hopefully this wasn't too unexpected.
Quickbans
Xurkitree
Everybody was asking for it and now we've finally delivered. As soon as Chansey left the tier, Xurkitree was free to run through the entire tier with its sky high Special Attack, threatening Electric STAB, and all the tools needed to eliminate usual Electric checks with Aurora Beam and Energy Ball. This combination made Xurkitree an absolute nightmare to play against, further compounded by it having 3 perfectly viable sets that you have to consider in battle, being Tail Glow, AoA Shell Bell, and Choice Scarf. This, along with a recent reappraisal in UU, has made it clear to us that Xurkitree does not belong in this tier and will thus be leaving for UU.
Hariyama
Hariyama is quite simple to explain. It's a strong Fighting with an uber-buffed version of Guts in Toxic Boost with all the coverage it needs and one of the best STAB moves in the game. Thus, it's not hard to see that, despite poor special bulk and middling Speed, Hariyama was extremely difficult to answer defensively. Most of the time, when Hariyama entered the battlefield, something was dead or losing their item and there was nothing you could do about it. Plus, its weaknesses were easily shored up by using bulky pivots like Chansey (before it got banned) and Uxie, making Hariyama a constant threat to any team. While it's one of my personal favorite Pokemon to use, it's best for everyone that Hariyama goes up to UU, where it's recently shown to be able to hold its own anyway.
Staraptor
Even in a multi-tiered Pet Mod such as JolteMons, Staraptor still can't escape the BL curse. One of the Pokemon I was most excited to try out in RU, Staraptor quickly proved why it always seems to end up in BL, as it consistently destroys every actual tier it ends up in. To put it simply, basically 0 defensive counterplay to Staraptor exists. Most everything gets melted by Brave Bird and everything that doesn't gets smashed by Close Combat. While a glass cannon, Staraptor's access to Scavenge allowed it to stick around and threaten everything for longer, which could also allow it to outlast potential offensive counterplay like Archeops and Sneasel. Staraptor was admittedly less broken than Hariyama and Xurkitree thanks Pokemon like Uxie and Shell Bell Raikou, but it's enough of a menace to warrant getting the boot. Hopefully it finds a place in UU, though, it will face competition with Dodrio.
And that's all for bans for now! Will see if we need another batch before or after the tournament. Also, since these changes likely won't be live for until late tonight, if you have any serious objections with these bans, then please let us know on Discord in the #lower-tier-discussion channel.
Speaking of the next batch of bans, I'd like to quickly go over a few Pokemon that council has their eyes on
Watchlist
Conkeldurr
With Hariyama leaving, Conkeldurr will likely naturally ascend back to its spot as the top slow Fighting wallbreaker. However, Conk immediately finds its way on the watchlist because of just how similar it is to Hariyama. It's just a little slower and has even stronger attacks since it has 20 more Attack than the already powerful Hariyama. Thus, Conk looks like even more of a nightmare to handle defensively. However, it's a bit worse than Hariyama in many ways that might keep it from going as crazy, mainly that it has Guts instead of Toxic Boost, which makes Conk both physically frailer and puts it on a timer as it takes Burn damage. Plus, Conk is already specially frailer than Hariyama, so it's less comfortable to taking stray Special hits that Hariyama can. However, Conk can also opt for an Iron Fist set, which trades sheer power for longevity in Drain Punch, Other Fighting-types like Breloom and Heracross have similar traits, but the sheer strength of Conkeldurr and having access to both Mach Punch and Knock Off makes it the more concerning one in my opinion.
Raikou
Raikou is a weird Pokemon to handle. G-Luke has already gone into detail about how he feels about it in the post above and I largely agree with him. Raikou is pretty weak when it's not hitting stuff super effectively, but with Electric being such a good type and Volt Switch being such a good move, it's a bit hard to deal with when it's able to shut down Ground switch-ins with Aurora Beam and one of HP Grass or Scald. Not to mention, its good bulk and Shell Bell healing it while it Volt Switches can make it difficult to bring down. Raikou feels a lot like Tapu Koko in OU, a Shell Bell Electric pivot that's just strong enough to be scary but not overwhelming, except that Raikou is much better against RU's Ground than Koko is against OU's. The main thing keeping from being overtly busted it how weak it is on neutral hits, so for now it's just the premier offensive pivot of the tier that doubles as a good check to the tiers many great Water and Flying-types. In the future, however, I can see a future where we might want to get rid of it and rebuild from there.
Mega Sceptile & Togekiss
I combined these as, while they play completely differently, they make their ways on here for similar reason: they're both strong Special Attackers that easily ravage unprepared teams but both possess very viable counterplay. Mega Sceptile is more straightforward, really only having 1 set, but it's one good set. Optimistic Leaf Storm is absolutely insane (I mean, that one trait carried Sceptile to a B- Rank on OU's VR, you better believe it's good here, too) and its 145 Speed makes it by far the fastest viable Pokemon in the tier, getting a hefty jump on Crobat's 130. The main thing keeping it balanced is that Optimistic Leaf Storm is stuck on a horrible offensive typing that many viable Pokemon resist. Plus, a lot of those resists also take Dragon Pulse well while also not fearing Focus Blast, like Moltres, Uxie, Centiskorch, Muk, and Togekiss.
Speaking of Togekiss, it's a bit different in that it can very easily snowball out of control thanks to it always getting a SpA boost from Serene Grace Sky Soirees. This, along with everything else that Togekiss was already able to pull off, makes Togekiss an extremely scary wincon. However, the presence of multiple viable Rock and Electric-types like Rhyperior, Railkou, and Lycanroc-Dusk keep it from being able to sweep too easily. Plus, if one opts for Sky Soiree as their only setup move, Togekiss can run into problems with PP in longer games, allowing a patient player to survive its onslaught in the long run.
Overall, both of these Pokemon are plenty scary enough to find their way onto this watchlist, but as of now they should be fine to keep around.
Other Untested Pokemon
And lastly, there are plenty of Pokemon that could potentially be scary, but they just haven't been used much yet or the uses that do have haven't been too crazy (in the case of Durant). Not saying that any of these are scary yet, nor that these are the only potentially scary Pokemon in the tier, but these are just a few that I thought of and wanted to briefly highlight.
Both Venomoth and Scolipede are Bug/Poison setup sweepers with broken abilities that have made them overwhelming in other metagames with similar power levels, but multiple factors in this tier (hazards being super strong, more viable Fire and Flying-types, Uxie's existence, etc.) may make them not as strong as they were in other metas, which probably contributes to why they haven't been used at all so far.
- Kommo-o was one of the Pokemon that I thought would get banned super early, given that it's a perfectly fine Pokemon in OU and probably UU as well. However, after Light Clay got banned, Kommo-o has settled in as a decent defensive mon, with offensive sets being extremely unexplored right now
- Lastly, Diggersby and Durant are both extremely powerful physical attackers with strong priority, but Diggersby hasn't seen any usage and faces competition with Mega Kangaskhan and Regigigas, while Durant has gotten a bit of usage but hates Centiskorch and all the viable First Impression resists we have
And that's all for now! See you soon!
There was a roomtour today (that I forgot to announce in the thread, my bad), so let's see what happened!
Tour 16 - JolteMons RU - Round Robin - 4 Entrants
1st: Gekokeso
2nd: Superior Serperior
3rd: Beaf Cultist
4th: diamondstriker9
JolteMons RU Roomtour Usage Stats
Leads
I'm kinda tired so I'm not gonna go too in-depth with takeaways, but the main thing I want to point out is this was another really weird tournament, mainly filled with Trick Room, Scyther, and Skuntank, all things you wouldn't really expect to see (even with Scyther having a lot of hype over the last couple weeks). One thing worth noting though was the high usage of Milotic, who appears to be the tier's premier bulky Water thanks to Pastel Veil giving it a Toxic-immunity. I was also glad to see some Heracross and Obtsagoon usage, as they are mostly unchanged but still effective RU staples, as well as Feraligatr who, while it lost, could/should be really good.
That's all for now, see you soon!
Tour 16 - JolteMons RU - Round Robin - 4 Entrants
1st: Gekokeso
2nd: Superior Serperior
3rd: Beaf Cultist
4th: diamondstriker9
Code:
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Uxie | 5 | 50.00% | 20.00% |
| 2 | Rhyperior | 4 | 40.00% | 25.00% |
| 3 | Milotic | 3 | 30.00% | 66.67% |
| 3 | Raikou | 3 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| - | Gourgeist-* | 3 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| 3 | Gourgeist-Super | 3 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| 3 | Scyther | 3 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| 3 | Skuntank | 3 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| 3 | Breloom | 3 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| 3 | Eelektross | 3 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| 10 | Hatterene | 2 | 20.00% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Stakataka | 2 | 20.00% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Houndoom | 2 | 20.00% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Archeops | 2 | 20.00% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Seismitoad | 2 | 20.00% | 0.00% |
| 15 | Sneasel | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Heracross | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Incineroar | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Gligar | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Obstagoon | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Sceptile | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Togedemaru | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Moltres | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Nihilego | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Marowak | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Torkoal | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Conkeldurr | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Snorlax | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Marowak-Alola | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Bronzong | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Camerupt | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 15 | Audino | 1 | 10.00% | 0.00% |
| 15 | Feraligatr | 1 | 10.00% | 0.00% |
| 15 | Crobat | 1 | 10.00% | 0.00% |
| 15 | Heliolisk | 1 | 10.00% | 0.00% |
Code:
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Uxie | 2 | 20.00% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Breloom | 2 | 20.00% | 0.00% |
| 3 | Gligar | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Obstagoon | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Gourgeist-Super | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Scyther | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Bronzong | 1 | 10.00% | 100.00% |
| 3 | Heliolisk | 1 | 10.00% | 0.00% |https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-32
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-33
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-34
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-35
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-37
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-33
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-34
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-35
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-37
I'm kinda tired so I'm not gonna go too in-depth with takeaways, but the main thing I want to point out is this was another really weird tournament, mainly filled with Trick Room, Scyther, and Skuntank, all things you wouldn't really expect to see (even with Scyther having a lot of hype over the last couple weeks). One thing worth noting though was the high usage of Milotic, who appears to be the tier's premier bulky Water thanks to Pastel Veil giving it a Toxic-immunity. I was also glad to see some Heracross and Obtsagoon usage, as they are mostly unchanged but still effective RU staples, as well as Feraligatr who, while it lost, could/should be really good.
That's all for now, see you soon!
How many Ls gonna happen before people accept that this list has aged like fine wine
They be fighting for their lives tryna get them to work once anyone has an inkling of what they are about, you hate to see it.The Bad
Let's cut right to the chase, we've got a couple more RU Quickbans!
Quickbans
Raikou
In terms of metagame impact, this may be the most major ban the tier's seen so far, but if you played RU recently, you should understand why it's best to do this. Raikou is a metagame staple, being the quintessential fast Electric pivot, like Tapu Koko in OU and Mega Manectric in UU. Like those two, Raikou is one of the fastest Pokemon in the tier, spams Volt Switch to maintain momentum, isn't terribly strong, and has a way to get through the Grounds that block Volt Switch. But, unlike Koko and Manectric, Raikou's method of getting through Ground-types has proven to be too effective. This one difference completely throws the balance of how a fast Electric pivot is supposed to interact with its tier, which made Raikou an absolute pain to play against and even more of a pain to prep for. You see, Raikou received Aurora Beam, which is much stronger than Koko and Manectric's HP Ice, and it already learns Scald. Thanks to Aurora Beam, Raikou can easily deal with every Ground-type in RU (another major difference from Koko in OU and Mane in UU, as their coverage can't beat every Ground) and the ones that can take it (like Gastrodon, Rhyperior, and Typhlosion) lose to HP Grass or Scald. Plus, Aurora Beam allows Raikou to body every Dragon and Grass-type that would usually beat it. And if your Ground-type is unable to switch into Raikou from team preview, then Raikou is just free to Volt Switch all over everything. Shell Bell also gives Raikou an insane amount of longevity, as Raikou can keep itself healthy just by spamming Volt Switch. Essentially, while Raikou isn't sweeping any teams, it's a Pokemon that's difficult to beat defensively as normal Electric counterplay is ineffective and the one almost-counter, SpD Togedemaru, can't hit it back, and it's difficult to beat offensively as the only viable Pokemon that outspeeds it is Mega Sceptile and Raikou's bulk and Shell Bell makes it super hard to revenge. Overall, Raikou is just overtuned to an unhealthy extent in the context of our RU metagame, so the best thing to do is to get rid of it. This will hopefully allow other fast Electric pivots like Raichu-Alola, Heliolisk, or maybe even Jolteon to shine.
Durant
This one's a bit more simple. Now that we've playtested Durant a bit, it's become extremely clear that Durant is too powerful for this tier. The ant has basically everything, insane power thanks to Hustle, good STABs in First Impression and Iron Head, insane coverage with Superpower, Rock Slide, and Mud Spike, great Speed tier, ability to boost past walls with Hone Claws, and decent physical bulk with a great defensive typing that makes revenge killing harder. In short, you were screwed against Durant unless you Scald burned it with a bulky Water that'll take 60% from a Superpower or prayed that it missed Rock Slide against your Fire or Flying-type. Thus, Durant will be banned from RU.
That's all for now! RU is shaping up pretty nicely, and, with Raikou's ban, teambuilding will hopefully be a lot less stressful.
Also, do note that there very likely won't be any roomtours this weekend as this year Community Create-A-Pet-Mod is happening during our usual times for those, though if there's enough interest then I can try to see what I can do.
See you soon!
Quickbans
Raikou
In terms of metagame impact, this may be the most major ban the tier's seen so far, but if you played RU recently, you should understand why it's best to do this. Raikou is a metagame staple, being the quintessential fast Electric pivot, like Tapu Koko in OU and Mega Manectric in UU. Like those two, Raikou is one of the fastest Pokemon in the tier, spams Volt Switch to maintain momentum, isn't terribly strong, and has a way to get through the Grounds that block Volt Switch. But, unlike Koko and Manectric, Raikou's method of getting through Ground-types has proven to be too effective. This one difference completely throws the balance of how a fast Electric pivot is supposed to interact with its tier, which made Raikou an absolute pain to play against and even more of a pain to prep for. You see, Raikou received Aurora Beam, which is much stronger than Koko and Manectric's HP Ice, and it already learns Scald. Thanks to Aurora Beam, Raikou can easily deal with every Ground-type in RU (another major difference from Koko in OU and Mane in UU, as their coverage can't beat every Ground) and the ones that can take it (like Gastrodon, Rhyperior, and Typhlosion) lose to HP Grass or Scald. Plus, Aurora Beam allows Raikou to body every Dragon and Grass-type that would usually beat it. And if your Ground-type is unable to switch into Raikou from team preview, then Raikou is just free to Volt Switch all over everything. Shell Bell also gives Raikou an insane amount of longevity, as Raikou can keep itself healthy just by spamming Volt Switch. Essentially, while Raikou isn't sweeping any teams, it's a Pokemon that's difficult to beat defensively as normal Electric counterplay is ineffective and the one almost-counter, SpD Togedemaru, can't hit it back, and it's difficult to beat offensively as the only viable Pokemon that outspeeds it is Mega Sceptile and Raikou's bulk and Shell Bell makes it super hard to revenge. Overall, Raikou is just overtuned to an unhealthy extent in the context of our RU metagame, so the best thing to do is to get rid of it. This will hopefully allow other fast Electric pivots like Raichu-Alola, Heliolisk, or maybe even Jolteon to shine.
Durant
This one's a bit more simple. Now that we've playtested Durant a bit, it's become extremely clear that Durant is too powerful for this tier. The ant has basically everything, insane power thanks to Hustle, good STABs in First Impression and Iron Head, insane coverage with Superpower, Rock Slide, and Mud Spike, great Speed tier, ability to boost past walls with Hone Claws, and decent physical bulk with a great defensive typing that makes revenge killing harder. In short, you were screwed against Durant unless you Scald burned it with a bulky Water that'll take 60% from a Superpower or prayed that it missed Rock Slide against your Fire or Flying-type. Thus, Durant will be banned from RU.
That's all for now! RU is shaping up pretty nicely, and, with Raikou's ban, teambuilding will hopefully be a lot less stressful.
Also, do note that there very likely won't be any roomtours this weekend as this year Community Create-A-Pet-Mod is happening during our usual times for those, though if there's enough interest then I can try to see what I can do.
See you soon!
Hello!
A couple things,
First, I will be posting three new resources in the SylveMons Resources thread immediately after this post. These will be a UU Viability List (including Sample Sets), an RU Role Compendium, and an RU Set Compendium. These resources will hopefully make teambuilding for these tiers easier, as they lacked the resources that OU had before.
Second, the final RU roomtour before the creation of JolteMons NU will be tomorrow at 4 PM EST! Note that this will overlap with tomorrow's CCAPM session, so make plans to participate in both if you want to participate in both. JolteMons RU has found its rhythm as a meta, with nothing being glaringly broken as of now and the tier being in a fairly stable state, so, as of now, we feel comfortable with moving on after one last roomtour.
That's all for now, but we have plenty planned as the generation ends, so stay tuned for that! See you soon!
A couple things,
First, I will be posting three new resources in the SylveMons Resources thread immediately after this post. These will be a UU Viability List (including Sample Sets), an RU Role Compendium, and an RU Set Compendium. These resources will hopefully make teambuilding for these tiers easier, as they lacked the resources that OU had before.
Second, the final RU roomtour before the creation of JolteMons NU will be tomorrow at 4 PM EST! Note that this will overlap with tomorrow's CCAPM session, so make plans to participate in both if you want to participate in both. JolteMons RU has found its rhythm as a meta, with nothing being glaringly broken as of now and the tier being in a fairly stable state, so, as of now, we feel comfortable with moving on after one last roomtour.
That's all for now, but we have plenty planned as the generation ends, so stay tuned for that! See you soon!
After a one day delay due to server issues yesterday, we finally had our last RU roomtour before the creation of JolteMons NU! Let's see how it went!
Tour 17 - JolteMons RU - Double Round Robin - 3 Entrants
1st: Yoshiblaze (3-1)
2nd: Beaf Cultist (2-2)
3rd: Superior Serperior (1-3)
JOLTEON #1 IS USAGE WOOOOOOOOOOO
Leads
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Some Quick Takeaways:
- I won a roomtour on my birthday! I wasn't even gonna enter cuz I didn't wanna get haxed on my birthday or something, but did anyway because of the low turnout (plus extremely unlucky timing with 2 people who wanted to join) and I won!
- We were kinda messing around in this final roomtour and you can tell because there were 5 teams used that were built around a field effect: Electric Terrain, Hail, Sun (with Psychic Terrain), Manual Rain, and even Grassy Terrain with Thwackey were all seen.
- The mascot Jolteon finally found its place in JolteMons after Raikou's ban from RU, quickly taking its place as the premier fast Electric thanks to its even higher Speed in an otherwise very slow tier and access to Aurora Beam. The fact that Jolteon topped the usage stats for the tour when (I believe) everyone used 4 different teams for each of their games, even with the tons of gimmicks we brough, speaks volumes. Couldn't be happier for my guy.
- While a much worse fast Electric than Jolteon, I have to say that I really like Raichu-A on Electric Terrain teams, it's an underrated threat when played right. Just bring something that murders bulky Grounds like I did with Breloom and Sneasel and you'll be good. You do have to use unmon Pincurchin to enable it, though,
- A lot of neat mons made appearances, but honestly the one I want to highlight is Salamence, as it's nice that people have been using it a lot more recently. The fact that Salamence (and Kommo-o for that matter) both managed to stay in RU and not be broken is insane but really cool. Especially in Salamence's case, as it's a great Defogger for the tier, making it a really healthy addition.
And that's all for RU! We'll come out with the offical RU tierlist and the release of NU either later today or tomorrow, so stay tuned for that!
See you soon!
Tour 17 - JolteMons RU - Double Round Robin - 3 Entrants
1st: Yoshiblaze (3-1)
2nd: Beaf Cultist (2-2)
3rd: Superior Serperior (1-3)
Code:
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Jolteon | 4 | 33.33% | 25.00% |
| 2 | Gligar | 3 | 25.00% | 33.33% |
| 2 | Sneasel | 3 | 25.00% | 33.33% |
| 2 | Rhyperior | 3 | 25.00% | 33.33% |
| 2 | Registeel | 3 | 25.00% | 0.00% |
| 6 | Centiskorch | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 6 | Breloom | 2 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Milotic | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 6 | Incineroar | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Volbeat | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Roserade | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Kommo-o | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Mismagius | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Cloyster | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Rotom-Fan | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Salamence | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Zarude | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Aromatisse | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Palossand | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Snorlax | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Toxtricity | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Torkoal | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Venusaur | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Darmanitan | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Indeedee-F | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Absol | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Glaceon | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Arctovish | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Lucario | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Vaporeon | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Raichu-Alola | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Pincurchin | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Swampert | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Kingdra | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Tornadus | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Uxie | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Scolipede | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Seismitoad | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Slowbro-Galar | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Regigigas | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Metagross | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Chesnaught | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Thwackey | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Dhelmise | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Swoobat | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Rotom | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Exeggutor-Alola | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Archeops | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Nihilego | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Suicune | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Celebi | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Flygon | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Hoopa | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Conkeldurr | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Noivern | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Feraligatr | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Heracross | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
Code:
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| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Roserade | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Zarude | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Indeedee-F | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Glaceon | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Raichu-Alola | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Tornadus | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 1 | Registeel | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Jolteon | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Exeggutor-Alola | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Archeops | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Rhyperior | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 1 | Heracross | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-23
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-24
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-25
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-26
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-28
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-27
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-24
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-25
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-26
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-28
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen8joltemonsru-27
Some Quick Takeaways:
- I won a roomtour on my birthday! I wasn't even gonna enter cuz I didn't wanna get haxed on my birthday or something, but did anyway because of the low turnout (plus extremely unlucky timing with 2 people who wanted to join) and I won!
- We were kinda messing around in this final roomtour and you can tell because there were 5 teams used that were built around a field effect: Electric Terrain, Hail, Sun (with Psychic Terrain), Manual Rain, and even Grassy Terrain with Thwackey were all seen.
- The mascot Jolteon finally found its place in JolteMons after Raikou's ban from RU, quickly taking its place as the premier fast Electric thanks to its even higher Speed in an otherwise very slow tier and access to Aurora Beam. The fact that Jolteon topped the usage stats for the tour when (I believe) everyone used 4 different teams for each of their games, even with the tons of gimmicks we brough, speaks volumes. Couldn't be happier for my guy.
- While a much worse fast Electric than Jolteon, I have to say that I really like Raichu-A on Electric Terrain teams, it's an underrated threat when played right. Just bring something that murders bulky Grounds like I did with Breloom and Sneasel and you'll be good. You do have to use unmon Pincurchin to enable it, though,
- A lot of neat mons made appearances, but honestly the one I want to highlight is Salamence, as it's nice that people have been using it a lot more recently. The fact that Salamence (and Kommo-o for that matter) both managed to stay in RU and not be broken is insane but really cool. Especially in Salamence's case, as it's a great Defogger for the tier, making it a really healthy addition.
And that's all for RU! We'll come out with the offical RU tierlist and the release of NU either later today or tomorrow, so stay tuned for that!
See you soon!
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After a month of development, we're finally here with the official RU tier list!
With this, NU will be officially playable!
Like RU, its initial stages are sure to bring chaos in its wake, especially since this'll be the tier were a lot of the craziest things that weren't viable in higher tiers may get to shine. Below is a list of potentially notable Pokémon in NU right now.
NU will (ideally) be up late tonight, so you can look forward to that!
See you soon!
RU
Absol-Mega, Archeops, Aromatisse, Audino-Mega, Breloom, Centiskorch, Chandelure, Chesnaught, Cloyster, Conkeldurr, Crobat, Feraligatr, Flygon, Gardevoir, Gligar, Goodra, Incineroar, Jolteon, Kangaskhan-Mega, Kommoo, Lucario, Lycanroc-Dusk, Metagross, Milotic, Mismagius, Moltres, Necrozma, Nihilego, Noivern, Obstagoon, Palossand, Regigigas, Registeel, Reuniclus, Rhyperior, Roserade, Rotom-Fan, Salamence, Sceptile-Mega, Scolipede, Shaymin, Slowbro-Galar, Sneasel, Steelix, Suicune, Swampert, Tentacruel, Togekiss, Tornadus, Toxtricity, Umbreon, Zarude
NUBL
Barbaracle, Bewear, Blastoise, Camerupt-Mega, Celebi, Darmanitan, Deoxys-Defense, Diggersby, Emboar, Entei, Glaceon, Heracross, Indeedee, Linoone, Machamp, Meloetta, Polteageist, Porygon-Z, Regidrago, Typhlosion, Venomoth, Zygarde-10%
Banned in NU: Drought
Absol-Mega, Archeops, Aromatisse, Audino-Mega, Breloom, Centiskorch, Chandelure, Chesnaught, Cloyster, Conkeldurr, Crobat, Feraligatr, Flygon, Gardevoir, Gligar, Goodra, Incineroar, Jolteon, Kangaskhan-Mega, Kommoo, Lucario, Lycanroc-Dusk, Metagross, Milotic, Mismagius, Moltres, Necrozma, Nihilego, Noivern, Obstagoon, Palossand, Regigigas, Registeel, Reuniclus, Rhyperior, Roserade, Rotom-Fan, Salamence, Sceptile-Mega, Scolipede, Shaymin, Slowbro-Galar, Sneasel, Steelix, Suicune, Swampert, Tentacruel, Togekiss, Tornadus, Toxtricity, Umbreon, Zarude
NUBL
Barbaracle, Bewear, Blastoise, Camerupt-Mega, Celebi, Darmanitan, Deoxys-Defense, Diggersby, Emboar, Entei, Glaceon, Heracross, Indeedee, Linoone, Machamp, Meloetta, Polteageist, Porygon-Z, Regidrago, Typhlosion, Venomoth, Zygarde-10%
Banned in NU: Drought
With this, NU will be officially playable!
Like RU, its initial stages are sure to bring chaos in its wake, especially since this'll be the tier were a lot of the craziest things that weren't viable in higher tiers may get to shine. Below is a list of potentially notable Pokémon in NU right now.
NU will (ideally) be up late tonight, so you can look forward to that!
See you soon!