[Gen 8] More Balanced Hackmons

[anaconja]

The playtesting tour has (finally) ended, with Chessking345 as the winner.

Here are replays for reference to the current meta.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-6881 Chessking345 vs. anaconja (finals)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7774 willdbeast vs. anaconja
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7636 OM! vs. Chessking345
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7633 OM! vs. Chessking345
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-6889 pazza vs. Chessking345
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7155 Gurpreet Patel (sent you a friend request) vs. pazza
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-6887 willdbeast vs. OM!
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-6753 willdbeast vs Hassin627
(will post more replays as soon as I get them)

Current thoughts:
Tapu Fini is too strong. With 140 Special Attack as a wall, it is very threatening to other walls like Giratina and Registeel.
Camerupt-Mega is too strong. It's literally a special Groudon-Primal that has an ability to use an item and a custom ability. Its 20 Speed isn't as much as a problem, since its resistances and ability to force mons out makes up for it.
Golisopod is too bulky. 120/180/80 bulk lol
Darmanitan's typing could be overcentralizing. Giratina is the premier physical wall, and Fire/Dark beating both Steel-types and Ghost-types is concerning. Then again, Golisopod and Tapu Fini have received buffs, so I'm not sure.
Lugia's bulk could be centralizing. Sure, 110 Speed sucks as a wall, but its sheer bulk threatens the viability of other things like Cresselia and Slowbro-Mega.

The next slate will be balancing previous mons out, and the one after that will be Rotom formes! Get hyped.

We'll focus on nerfing Tapu Fini, Camerupt-Mega, and Golisopod, but you can also submit mons you want buffed. As with other submissions, please give adequate reasoning with relevant calculations.

edit: also check out pmgs poll

 

[Champion Leon]

Congrats to Chessking345, great match.

The playtesting tour has (finally) ended, with Chessking345 as the winner.

Here are replays for reference to the current meta.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-6881 Chessking345 vs. anaconja (finals)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7774 willdbeast vs. anaconja
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7636 OM! vs. Chessking345
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7633 OM! vs. Chessking345
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-6889 pazza vs. Chessking345
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/dragonheaven-gen7morebalancedhackmons-7155 Gurpreet Patel (sent you a friend request) vs. pazza
(will post more replays as soon as I get them)

Current thoughts:
Tapu Fini is too strong. With 140 Special Attack as a wall, it is very threatening to other walls like Giratina and Registeel.
Camerupt-Mega is too strong. It's literally a special Groudon-Primal that has an ability to use an item and a custom ability. Its 20 Speed isn't as much as a problem, since its resistances and ability to force mons out makes up for it.
Golisopod is too bulky. 120/180/80 bulk lol
Darmanitan's typing could be overcentralizing. Giratina is the premier physical wall, and Fire/Dark beating both Steel-types and Ghost-types is concerning. Then again, Golisopod and Tapu Fini have received buffs, so I'm not sure.
Lugia's bulk could be centralizing. Sure, 110 Speed sucks as a wall, but its sheer bulk threatens the viability of other things like Cresselia and Slowbro-Mega.

The next slate will be balancing previous mons out, and the one after that will be Rotom formes! Get hyped.

We'll focus on nerfing Tapu Fini, Camerupt-Mega, and Golisopod, but you can also submit mons you want buffed. As with other submissions, please give adequate reasoning with relevant calculations.

edit: also check out pmgs poll

One thing I noticed for Darmanitan (Base) was that it had 130 Attack, when the original submission was 125. I think if I were to nerf it on stats or typing, I would completely understand, as Flash Fire might be too limiting as a counter measure for a fast Fire Type with V-Create.

I agree with the emphasis on the next slate.

 

[anaconja]

Tapu Fini
Stats: 100/70/130/110/140/80
Summary of Changes: +20 Def, -30 SpA, +10 SpD

Reason for Changes

252 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Giratina: 194-230 (38.4 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mewtwo-Mega-X Photon Geyser vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Tapu Fini: 196-232 (48.6 - 57.5%) -- 51.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Sample Set(s):
Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald / Moonblast
- Moonblast / Spectral Thief
- Shore Up
- U-turn

Tapu Fini @ Assault Jacket / Assault Armor
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald
- Moonblast
- Rapid Spin
- U-turn

Tapu Fini @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald
- Moonblast
- Shore Up
- U-turn

Camerupt-Mega
Stats: 105/115/120/145/135/20
Summary of Changes: -35 Atk, +20 Def, -35 SpA, +30 SpD

Reason for Changes

+1 252 SpA Xerneas Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Camerupt-Mega: 172-204 (41.5 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo-Mega-Y Psystrike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Camerupt-Mega: 200-238 (48.3 - 57.4%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Camerupt-Mega Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 372-439 (92 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Sample Set(s):
Camerupt-Mega @ Assault Vest / Assault Armor / Assault Jacket
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Lava Plume / Revelation Dance
- Core Enforcer
- Rapid Spin
- U-turn

Camerupt-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Blue Flare
- Bolt Strike
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power / Shore Up

Golisopod
Stats: 100/125/150/80/100/65
Summary of Changes: -20 HP, -30 Def, +20 SpA, +20 SpD, +5 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 Atk Choice Band Mewtwo-Mega-X Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Golisopod: 177-208 (43.8 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Spooky Plate Gengar-Mega Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Golisopod: 172-204 (42.5 - 50.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Golisopod Secret Power vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Gengar-Mega: 130-154 (40.1 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Golisopod U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 218-260 (52.4 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Golisopod Core Enforcer vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Giratina: 112-132 (22.2 - 26.1%) -- 8.2% chance to 4HKO
65 Speed ties with Magearna

Sample Set(s):
Golisopod @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Secret Power
- Knock Off
- Poison Fang / Rapid Spin / Spectral Thief
- U-turn

Golisopod @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Core Enforcer
- Strength Sap / Spectral Thief / Destiny Bond
- Shore Up
- U-turn

edit:

 

[Champion Leon]

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**I would suggest the Misty Seed in your Fur Coat Set. Not only can it prevent Trick, but it can diminish Knock Off’s power and ultimately help it make up for the lowered SpD. I used that in the tournament and it was my biggest wall, since no other Pokémon can get the same benefits from it like Tapu Fini can.
Beyond that I like the suggested sets and stat changes.

 

[anaconja]

Any submissions will end tomorrow at the usual time. If there aren't any my submissions will go through and we'll begin the Rotom forme slate.

Also, I'm updating OP to be more accurate, so stay tuned.

 

[anaconja]

edit: apparently people like to sub in the last hours of the submission slate, Rotom formes are postponed until then

 

[Zovrah]

Tapu Fini
Type: Water/ Fairy
Stats: 82/83/134/106/152/73

its bulkier while keeping its original aspect of being more specially bulky than physically bulky. Lowered speed tier because 85 is super wack for something immune to core.

calcs to show its hardly too thicc
(terrible mobile screens bc chrome is aggressively reloading the pages :angry:)

 

[Champion Leon]

This is based on Anaconja prior post stating to either adjust the Tapus, or buff another mon, so I thought if buffing a defensive and offense mon that should be balanced, and not too powerful.

Edit: Added Item

Eviofite
Effect (if any): Cannot be held if the user has Imposter as its ability- all unevolved Pokemon that have an additional evolution stage gain a 50% boost to Attack, Special Attack, and Speed. (Due to the low Speed they tend to have, I am including a boost to Speed as well, since the only relatively fast users are Scyther and Sneasel which lack strong Attack for BH, even after the boost compared to Life Orb threats like MMX, MMY, Rayquaza-Mega, Diancie-Mega, etc.) *Willing to remove Speed if necessary.*
Competitive Use: Can be used by any offensive unevolved Pokemon to provide a boost without drawbacks from using it.
Is It OP?: No. There are not many Pokemon that have enough HP, Def, SpD, or even Spe in their unevolved form that can effectively use this.
Likely users: Golbat, Scyther, Magneton, Electabuzz
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Edit: Reduced Meloetta’s Defenses, and increased Speed.
Edit: Reduced Meloetta-P’s Offenses, and increased Defense.

Meloetta
Stats: 110/40/125/130/125/70
Summary of Changes: +10 HP, -37 Atk, +48 Def, +2 SpA, -3 SpDef, -20 Spe
Competitive Use: Functions like Alolan-Muk without the weakness to Ground, to serve as a defensive check, differentiating itself from it with different STAB, and hitting from the Special side. Has important immunities to Ghost for Moongeist Beam, and a resistance to Psychic for Photon Geyser to help it use Unaware, in addition to neutrality to Fighting, and can serve as a bulky offensive threat with Simple thanks to Stored Power, all of which combine to differentiate it from other Normals like Arceus, and Audino-Mega.
Is it OP: No, as it has 3 weaknesses while Arceus and Alolan-Muk only have one, and Audino-Mega only has 2, plus it has worse typing offensively than the latter 2. With reduced Speed, it will not be able to Spectral Thief away V-Create boosts to outspeed any foes, and will have a harder time recovering (compare to Arceus’ Speed to recover before being hit after switching in). Needed to be slightly bulkier due to its middling speed, additional weaknesses, and lack of offensive STAB coverage.
Sample Set(s):
Meloetta (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Baton Pass
- Shore Up
- Boomburst

Meloetta (F) @ Assault Vest / Jacket / Armor
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Rapid Spin
- Core Enforcer
- Volt Switch

Meloetta (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Baton Pass
- Shore Up
- Core Enforcer





Meloetta
Stats: 110/125/70/125/40/130
Summary of Changes: +10 HP, -3 Atk, -20 Def, +48 SpA, -37 SpDef, +2 Spe
Competitive Use: Does what Lopunny-Mega cannot - mixed sweep, and be able to take advantage of Scrappy while doing so. If it does Tail Glow it can still mix Sweep with Secret Sword.
Is it OP: 130 Attack and Special Attack is extremely low for BH offensive standards, and low defenses, even with good HP does not make it a great candidate for taking residual damage and hits. It’s also weak to Fairy, and Flying priority.
Sample Set(s):
Meloetta (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Shell Smash
- Boomburst
- Close Combat
- Sunsteel Strike

Meloetta (F) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Facade / Boomburst
- Spectral Thief
- Low Kick
- Spore / U-Turn

 

[Chessking345]

Tapu Fini
Stats: 100/70/110/130/130/90
Summary of Changes: +20 Def, -10 SpA, +10 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Giratina: 218-258 (43.2 - 51.1%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tapu Fini: 168-198 (41.5 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Camerupt-Mega
Stats: 105/130/100/175/105/45
Summary of Changes: -20 Atk, -5 SpA, +25 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Camerupt-Mega Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 406-478 (100.4 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Speed creeps min speed tina with -speed nature and max investment.

Golisopod
Stats: 120/135/145/80/80/65
Summary of Changes: +10 Atk, -35 Def, +20 SpA, +5 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 Atk Choice Band Tough Claws Mewtwo-Mega-X Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Golisopod: 408-480 (100.9 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Golisopod Secret Power vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Marshadow: 138-163 (32.5 - 38.4%) -- 98.2% chance to 3HKO
65 Speed ties with Magearna

Assault Armour:
Increase Def and SpD to either 1.25x or 1.2x (from 1.3x).
Way too good and is pretty much better than both AV and AJ which isn't good.
Bright Powder:
Decrease damage from Ghost and Dark type moves by either 25% or 20% (from 30%).
30% is ridiculous and makes it pretty splashable on tina and lugia and friends. Also is dangerously close to an ability level which is bad.

 

[Zovrah]

Tapu Fini
Stats: 100/70/110/130/130/90
Summary of Changes: +20 Def, -10 SpA, +10 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Giratina: 218-258 (43.2 - 51.1%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tapu Fini: 168-198 (41.5 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Camerupt-Mega
Stats: 105/130/100/175/105/45
Summary of Changes: -20 Atk, -5 SpA, +25 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Camerupt-Mega Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 406-478 (100.4 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Speed creeps min speed tina with -speed nature and max investment.

Golisopod
Stats: 120/135/145/80/80/65
Summary of Changes: +10 Atk, -35 Def, +20 SpA, +5 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 Atk Choice Band Tough Claws Mewtwo-Mega-X Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Golisopod: 408-480 (100.9 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Golisopod Secret Power vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Marshadow: 138-163 (32.5 - 38.4%) -- 98.2% chance to 3HKO
65 Speed ties with Magearna

Assault Armour:
Increase Def and SpD to either 1.25x or 1.2x (from 1.3x).
Way too good and is pretty much better than both AV and AJ which isn't good.
Bright Powder:
Decrease damage from Ghost and Dark type moves by either 25% or 20% (from 30%).
30% is ridiculous and makes it pretty splashable on tina and lugia and friends. Also is dangerously close to an ability level which is bad.

Im brainstorming a change to armor myself, making it into a sort of defensive LO

would appreciate any ideas on that front

 

[anaconja]

This is based on Anaconja prior post stating to either adjust the Tapus, or buff another mon, so I thought if buffing a defensive and offense mon that should be balanced, and not too powerful.

Edit: Added Item

Eviofite
Effect (if any): Cannot be held if the user has Imposter as its ability- all unevolved Pokemon that have an additional evolution stage gain a 50% boost to Attack, Special Attack, and Speed. (Due to the low Speed they tend to have, I am including a boost to Speed as well, since the only relatively fast users are Scyther and Sneasel which lack strong Attack for BH, even after the boost compared to Life Orb threats like MMX, MMY, Rayquaza-Mega, Diancie-Mega, etc.) *Willing to remove Speed if necessary.*
Competitive Use: Can be used by any offensive unevolved Pokemon to provide a boost without drawbacks from using it.
Is It OP?: No. There are not many Pokemon that have enough HP, Def, SpD, or even Spe in their unevolved form that can effectively use this.
Likely users: Golbat, Scyther, Magneton, Electabuzz
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Edit: Reduced Meloetta’s Defenses, and increased Speed.
Edit: Reduced Meloetta-P’s Offenses, and increased Defense.
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Meloetta
Stats: 110/40/125/130/125/70
Summary of Changes: +10 HP, -37 Atk, +48 Def, +2 SpA, -3 SpDef, -20 Spe
Competitive Use: Functions like Alolan-Muk without the weakness to Ground, to serve as a defensive check, differentiating itself from it with different STAB, and hitting from the Special side. Has important immunities to Ghost for Moongeist Beam, and a resistance to Psychic for Photon Geyser to help it use Unaware, in addition to neutrality to Fighting, and can serve as a bulky offensive threat with Simple thanks to Stored Power, all of which combine to differentiate it from other Normals like Arceus, and Audino-Mega.
Is it OP: No, as it has 3 weaknesses while Arceus and Alolan-Muk only have one, and Audino-Mega only has 2, plus it has worse typing offensively than the latter 2. With reduced Speed, it will not be able to Spectral Thief away V-Create boosts to outspeed any foes, and will have a harder time recovering (compare to Arceus’ Speed to recover before being hit after switching in). Needed to be slightly bulkier due to its middling speed, additional weaknesses, and lack of offensive STAB coverage.
Sample Set(s):
Meloetta (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Baton Pass
- Shore Up
- Boomburst

Meloetta (F) @ Assault Vest / Jacket / Armor
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Rapid Spin
- Core Enforcer
- Volt Switch

Meloetta (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Baton Pass
- Shore Up
- Core Enforcer


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Meloetta
Stats: 110/125/70/125/40/130
Summary of Changes: +10 HP, -3 Atk, -20 Def, +48 SpA, -37 SpDef, +2 Spe
Competitive Use: Does what Lopunny-Mega cannot - mixed sweep, and be able to take advantage of Scrappy while doing so. If it does Tail Glow it can still mix Sweep with Secret Sword.
Is it OP: 130 Attack and Special Attack is extremely low for BH offensive standards, and low defenses, even with good HP does not make it a great candidate for taking residual damage and hits. It’s also weak to Fairy, and Flying priority.
Sample Set(s):
Meloetta (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Shell Smash
- Boomburst
- Close Combat
- Sunsteel Strike

Meloetta (F) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Facade / Boomburst
- Spectral Thief
- Low Kick
- Spore / U-Turn

By buffs I meant buffs of originally subbed mons (otherwise that would defeat the purpose of balancing slates). Additionally, I'd advise you not to min-max stats (as seen by your superhigh defenses and piss-poor attack).
Your reasoning for Meloetta is also pretty flawed:

Is it OP: No, as it has 3 weaknesses while Arceus and Alolan-Muk only have one, and Audino-Mega only has 2, plus it has worse typing offensively than the latter 2. With reduced Speed, it will not be able to Spectral Thief away V-Create boosts to outspeed any foes, and will have a harder time recovering (compare to Arceus’ Speed to recover before being hit after switching in). Needed to be slightly bulkier due to its middling speed, additional weaknesses, and lack of offensive STAB coverage.

Why does a wall have to care about offensive typing? Audino-Mega rarely uses Moonblast anyway (as you should know). Its low speed is actually a benefit for it: it already has the bulk to take multiple V-Create boosts, and I never see Audino-Mega having problems with recovering. This shows that Meloetta outclasses Arceus, exchanging almost negligible bulk for the ability to underspeed base 90 (in the case of Core Enforcer), be neutral to Fighting, be resistant to Psychic, and be able to slow pivot. In fact, I would argue that it also threatens Audino-Mega besides the latter's Dragon immunity.

Eviofite is obviously broken because it can be used by Chansey as a simultaneous Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, and Choice Band, without the choice.

 

[willdbeast]

Eviofite is obviously broken because it can be used by Chansey as a simultaneous Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, and Choice Band, without the choice.

But even a chansey with those buffs is still in a lowish speed tier with pretty pathetic spatk and laughable attack. The only thing I can see it being even remotely broken on is floette-e and I think it would be pretty mediocre on anything else. That's not to say I like the idea though and it's kinda contrived imo

the name is top notch though ngl

 

[Hassin627]

But even a chansey with those buffs is still in a lowish speed tier with pretty pathetic spatk and laughable attack. The only thing I can see it being even remotely broken on is floette-e and I think it would be pretty mediocre on anything else. That's not to say I like the idea though and it's kinda contrived imo

the name is top notch though ngl

imposter my dude

 

[willdbeast]

Eviofite
Effect (if any): Cannot be held if the user has Imposter as its ability-

this is what I meant by kind of contrived

 

[Hassin627]

this is what I meant by kind of contrived

fight me

 

[Champion Leon]

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By buffs I meant buffs of originally subbed mons (otherwise that would defeat the purpose of balancing slates). Additionally, I'd advise you not to min-max stats (as seen by your superhigh defenses and piss-poor attack).

I didn’t realize it was for prior submitted Pokémon, as it wasn’t specified.
To be fair, I tried to make it similar to Muk-Alolan, which had comparable mixed Defenses, a focused offensive stat, and basically traded a minimal Speed for a minimal Attack. 70 Speed on Meloetta is the same stat as Muk-Alolan has for Special Attack, while 45 Speed on Muk-Alolan is similar in number to 40 Attack on Meloetta.

Your reasoning for Meloetta is also pretty flawed:

Why does a wall have to care about offensive typing? Audino-Mega rarely uses Moonblast anyway (as you should know). Its low speed is actually a benefit for it: it already has the bulk to take multiple V-Create boosts, and I never see Audino-Mega having problems with recovering.

A wall will care about offensive typing to threaten out what it can check; after all doesn’t Muk-Alolan’s Dark typing enable it to use Knock Off well enough to threaten MMY? Which is why it checks or in some cases downright counters it, after the stat buffs? Further, a Dark-Typing also allows it and other Dark checks to use Pursuit.

Doesn’t Yveltal have Revelation Dance to enable it to check Gengar-Mega? If it weren’t for its Dark-Typing, Revelation Dance wouldn’t be Super Effective, and it’s ability would be removed by Entrainment and all of its Attacks would be Normal-Typed. Clearly offensive typing for a wall matters, cmon...

If you cannot threaten out what you Switch into, then you cannot by definition counter what you switch into. At best, you simply wall but don’t pose a threat...

It already has the bulk to take multiple V-Create boosts, and I never see Audino-Mega having problems with recovering... In fact, I would argue that it also threatens Audino-Mega besides the latter's Dragon immunity.

Did you just say it has the bulk to survive multiple V-Creates? According to the Setpediax MMX’s first item slot choice is Life Orb, which is a clean 2HKO on even Relaxed Audino-Mega and Meloetta.

252 Atk Life Orb Mewtwo-Mega-X V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Audino-Mega: 208-246 (50.7 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Compare to Meloetta after the buffs:

252 Atk Life Orb Mewtwo-Mega-X V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Meloetta: 211-248 (49.7 - 58.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

Mind you, that means even Unaware variants immune to Superpower boosts are KOed.

Don’t forget about PDon with STAB Desolate Land V-Creates, or Mega Blaziken, or Marowak-Alolan, etc.

This shows that Meloetta outclasses Arceus, exchanging almost negligible bulk for the ability to underspeed base 90 (in the case of Core Enforcer), be neutral to Fighting, be resistant to Psychic, and be able to slow pivot. In fact, I would argue that it also threatens Audino-Mega besides the latter's Dragon immunity.

Meloetta was always slower than Arceus, and because Meloetta is Psychic, it has weaknesses to the common U-Turn and Knock Off. Arceus can also hit from the physical side if it needs to, while Meloetta is not able to leave any dents.

It could technically already underspeed Base 90s since it was dependent on the Speed tie, as it was at 90 Base Speed originally. So it still could have.

It doesn’t outclass Audino-Mega, as the physical bulk from taking V-Create is literally almost identical, I don’t see how it could outclass it on stats, here is the direct compare;

To be fair, 70 Base Speed isn’t that low, plus it is faster than both Muk-Alolan (45 Speed) and Audino-Mega (50 Speed), so it’s 20 point drop from 90 Base Speed means that it’s still at a disadvantage compared to Audino-Mega and Muk-Alolan because it isn’t immune to Core Enforcer, and isn’t as slow as Muk-Alolan to underspeed slow defensive Core Enforcer opponents.
AKA Meloetta has a single resistance and immunity while Audino-Mega has 2 immunities, as well as resistance to Bug, and Dark, exactly what Meloetta is weak to, while Meloetta shares a Fighting neutrality with Muk-Alolan, and Audino-Mega, never outclassing them.
Muk-Alolan has an immunity to Psychic, letting it take Photon Geysers and Psychoo Boosts better than Meloetta, and resists Grass, Dark, and Ghost, in addition to Poison, having a Toxic Immunity and the added perk of absorbing Toxic Spikes on Switch-in.

Meloetta can basically can take exactly 1 type better than Muk-Alolan - Ghost. So besides taking Spectral Thief and Moongeist Beam better than Muk-Alolan. I lowered her Attack so that she couldn’t compete with Muk-Alolan, Arceus or Audino-Mega in using Spectral Thief, and would be obligated to use the less useful Volt Switch over U-Turn. When I used Meloetta in BH, Spectral Thiefing a Contrary MMY’s V-Create allowed her to not only outspeed it next turn, but also deal enough damage to wear down MMY before it had to switch. I basically tried to make it worse in Attack and Speed so I could justify better HP and Defense (plus I literally lowered SpA and SpD by 3).

Eviofite is obviously broken because it can be used by Chansey as a simultaneous Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, and Choice Band, without the choice.

Willdbeast quoted me above to show you didn’t read the very first sentence of my item description, regarding Imposter. I also had made a note when I posted that I would be willing to remove Speed.

So TLDR: 110 HP. 125 Def, 125 SpD is on par with the bulk of Muk-Alolan, Audino-Mega, and Arceus.

130 SpA is comparable to Muk-Alolan’s Attack, and Arceus’ mixed offenses.

70 Speed makes it still faster than Muk-Alolan and Audino-Mega, and therefore “worse”, and it was always slower than Arceus regardless of any changes.

It has 40 Attack to lower Spectral Thief and U-Turn Damage so that Muk-Alolan, Audino-Mega, and Arceus all do perform those moves much better.

Also, I wanted to ensure that it’s other form would have weaknesses, and thought having a 40 Base stat would allow me to transfer it over to a Defense for the Meloetta-P form, so it wouldn’t be too bulky as a Sweeper.

 

[anaconja]

Balance Slate voting is up.

Now, Rotom formes. Maximum BST is 620 and submissions end in 10 days from now. Get subbing!

 

[Chessking345]

Rotom
Stats: 80 / 105 / 127 / 115 / 107 / 86 | 620 BST
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, +55 Atk, +50 Def, +20 SpA, +30 SpD, -5 Spe
Competitive Use: Solid spinblocker. Decent pivot. Nice Gigas and Shed switch in.

calcs

252 SpA Spooky Plate Gengar-Mega Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Illuminate Rotom: 182-216 (50 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Regigigas Knock Off (Boost and 2 Unboosted, 210 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Illuminate Rotom: 268-316 (73.6 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Kyogre-Primal Revelation Dance vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 142-168 (39 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Dialga Core Enforcer vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 138-163 (37.9 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Giratina Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Illuminate Rotom: 78-92 (21.4 - 25.2%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO

Is it OP?: Nah.
Sample Set(s):
Rotom @ Safety Goggles / Leftovers / Rocky Helmet / Ghostium Z / Bright Powder
Ability: Illuminate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Volt Switch / U-turn
- Core Enforcer / Entrainment
- Shore Up

Rotom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spectral Thief
- Will-o-Wisp
- Strength Sap / Core Enforcer
- Spiky Shield / Shore Up

Rotom-WashingMachine
Stats: 80 / 65 / 117 / 140 / 132 / 86 | 620 BST
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, +0 Atk, +10 Def, +35 SpA, +25 SpD, +0 Spe
Competitive Use: Decent Water Resist and status spreader.

calcs

+1 252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Wash: 153-180 (42 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Rotom-Wash Discharge vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Gyarados-Mega: 182-216 (46.1 - 54.8%) -- 55.9% chance to 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Gyarados-Mega Knock Off (2 turns, one is boosted) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-Wash: 325-384 (89.2 - 105.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO (Never 2HKO after PH)

Is it OP?: There are other mons that can resist water that are overall better.
Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Wash @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald
- Discharge
- Spiky Shield / Shore Up
- Filler

Rotom-Refrigerator
Stats: 80 / 50 / 107 / 115 / 152 / 116 | 620 BST
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, -15 Atk, +0 Def, +10 SpA, +45 SpD, +30 Spe
Competitive Use: Its a Rayquaza check with good special bulk and nice speed tier.

calcs

252 SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rotom-Frost: 153-181 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Rotom-Frost Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rayquaza-Mega: 432-508 (104.3 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Rotom-Frost Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 258-306 (51.1 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Is it OP?: Ice is a very bad defensive typing, Def is pretty bad too. Doesn't hit hard either.
Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Frost @ Choice Specs / Assault Vest / Assault Armor / Assault Jacket / Rocky Helmet / IDK
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Volt Switch
- Filler
- Filler

Rotom-Oven
Stats: 80 / 65 / 147 / 105 / 137 / 86 | 620 BST
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, +0 Atk, +40 Def, +0 SpA, +30 SpD, +0 Spe
Competitive Use: Good defensive mon that can check stuff like Ray, Diancie, Xern, and Kartana.

calcs

252+ Atk Choice Band Kartana Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-Heat: 114-134 (31.3 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Kartana V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-Heat: 302-355 (82.9 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Pixie Plate Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 111-131 (30.4 - 35.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 152-179 (41.7 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 151-178 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Is it OP?: No, it has to pick what to check with its nature and is weak to rocks and weak to water and weak to arrows and isn't threatening.
Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Wash @ Safety Goggles / Leftovers
Ability: Levitate / Metal Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed / Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Lava Plume
- Core Enforcer / Entrainment
- Anchor Shot
- Shore Up

Rotom-Lawnmower
Stats: 80 / 65 / 107 / 140 / 112 / 116 | 620 BST
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, +0 Atk, +0 Def, +35 SpA, +5 SpD, +30 Spe
Competitive Use: Its a decent offensive pivot that prevents ground types from switching in with STAB Seed Flare which can break a lot of normal checks through SpD drops.

calcs

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tinted Lens Rotom-Mow Seed Flare vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel: 184-216 (50.5 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tinted Lens Rotom-Mow Seed Flare vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 216-256 (42.8 - 50.7%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Rotom-Mow Seed Flare vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Kyogre-Primal: 350-414 (86.6 - 102.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Kyogre-Primal Core Enforcer vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rotom-Mow: 102-121 (28 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Is it OP?: No, its typing is pretty bad and due to bad STABs Tinted Lens is almost required which makes it fairly one dimensional.
Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Mow @ Choice Specs
Ability: Tinted Lens
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Seed Flare
- Volt Switch
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt / Shore Up / Parabolic Charge? / Giga Drain?

Rotom-Fan
Stats: 80 / 50 / 147 / 105 / 152 / 86 | 620 BST
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, -15 Atk, +40 Def, +0 SpA, +45 SpD, +0 Spe
Competitive Use: A really solid switch-in to Rayquaza unless you get hit by Specs Draco. Basically a bulkier version of Zapdos with less speed and less offensive presence.

calcs

252+ SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Fan: 153-181 (42 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Rayquaza-Mega V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-Fan: 151-178 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Is it OP?: No, weak to rocks, poor offensive presence, not that great of a typing, not great bulk
Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Fan @ Safety Goggles / Leftovers
Ability: Metal Armor / Fluffy Cloak / Magic Bounce / Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Discharge
- Volt Switch / U-turn
- Core Enforcer / Ice Beam / Defog
- Shore Up

 

[anaconja]

Rotom
Stats: 80/69/110/110/150/91
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, +19 Atk, +33 Def, +25 SpA, +73 SpD

Reason for Changes

252 Atk Choice Band Kartana Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Rotom: 127-151 (33 - 39.3%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 156-183 (40.6 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Rotom: 172-204 (44.7 - 53.1%) -- 28.1% chance to 2HKO

Competitive Use: Interesting special wall that also is immune to Shedinja.
Is it OP?: Its speed tier is compromising, its attack stats make it pretty passive, and its physical bulk isn't that good without Fur Coat.
Sample Set(s):
Rotom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Revelation Dance / Discharge
- Spectral Thief
- Core Enforcer
- U-turn

Rotom @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Revelation Dance / Discharge
- Spectral Thief
- Shore Up
- U-turn

Rotom-Frost
Stats: 80/110/95/135/95/105
Summary of Changes: +30 HP, +45 Atk, -12 Def, +30 SpA, -12 SpD, +19 Spe

Reason for Changes

252 SpA Choice Specs Refrigerate Rotom-Frost Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 186-219 (40.9 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Rotom-Frost Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Magnezone: 117-139 (30.4 - 36.1%) -- 50.5% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Rotom-Frost Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Chansey: 211-250 (29.9 - 35.5%) -- 24.8% chance to 3HKO

Competitive Use: Versatile wallbreaker, able to use Galvanize, Refrigerate, or Sheer Force.
Is it OP?: It finds it hard to switch in without a slow pivot, its speed tier makes it outsped by many other wallbreakers.
Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Frost @ Choice Specs
Ability: Refrigerate / Galvanize
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Boomburst
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Blue Flare

Rotom-Frost @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Ice Beam
- Bolt Strike
- Earth Power
- Blue Flare

 

[Zovrah]

Easy-Bake Oven
Stats: 99/83/100/108/145/85
Summary of Changes: +49/+18/-7/+3/+38/-1
Competitive Use: Fire/electric grants some spicy resists, including fairy and flying. Rotom-heat was the one I had selected for the SpD rotom, the main reason behind the spread I gave it. For use, it can be a check to non ground coverage ate/ize mons while also being a xern check.
Is it OP?: Honestly like just slapping a pair of goggles on this cunt and giving it levitate lets it check a bunch but idt its too bad.
+1 252 SpA Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 65-77 (16.1 - 19.1%) -- possible 6HKO

252 Atk Diancie-Mega V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-Heat: 90-106 (22.3 - 26.3%) -- 18.1% chance to 4HKO

252 SpA Pixie Plate Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 106-126 (26.3 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Sky Plate Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 117-138 (29.1 - 34.3%) -- 3.4% chance to 3HKO

252 Atk Rayquaza-Mega V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-Heat: 99-117 (24.6 - 29.1%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 145-171 (36 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 Atk Life Orb Technician Mewtwo-Mega-X Storm Throw vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-Heat on a critical hit: 304-359 (75.6 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Tough Claws Mewtwo-Mega-X Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-Heat: 402-474 (100 - 117.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Rayquaza-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Rotom-Heat: 247-292 (61.4 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Heat @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Entrainment
- Anchor Shot
- Spectral Thief
- Will-O-Wisp

Freeza
Stats:103/60/107/143/82/125
Summary of Changes: +53/-8/+0/+38/-25/+39
Competitive Use: Cooler here has some pretty epic stabs. Ice hits some big things in the meta SE (Zyg, tina, ray) and electric hits the checks to Ice (ogre, mostly). Snowboi is best used as a sheer force breaker, I think, since it has boltbeam stab which does a billion to the already named threats and can run ground/fire coverage to bop everything not already 2hkod by big bad sparky stab. Could also maybe be a weird galvanize/refrigerate set I guess
Is it OP?: Its pretty strong really, like i think you basically need an AV/AA mon to wall it (or my epic oven up there vote btw), but it faces threat from anything faster, mons which dont really have a problem killing it. Which is on purpose, by the way. Gengar normalizes and kills and honestly probably doesnt need to normalize with the spd on this thing (havent run calcs but some chip should do it) mmy definitely bops and mmx is no question, its an ice type. Not to mention it does have a fairly frail typing to begin with, weak to rocks and not resisting any common moves that usually chip like uturn, knock, etc.

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Rotom-Frost Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 218-257 (50.6 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Rotom-Frost Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 873-1029 (137.2 - 161.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Rotom-Frost Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Giratina: 374-439 (74.2 - 87.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Rotom-Frost Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyogre-Primal: 304-359 (75.2 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Rotom-Frost Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 74-87 (18.4 - 21.6%) -- possible 5HKO


Sample Set(s):
Rotom-Frost @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Earth Power
- Blue Flare

Dexter
Stats: 104/103/103/103/103/104
Summary of Changes:
Competitive Use: This is sort of a relic. Id started with the idea for each rotom be a different role, focused on a single stat. That sort of fell apart though, when I realized Id have to make fan be a thicc boi (differentiate from zapdos), switching its spot with wash as an offensive mon. thing is chess did both of those already and honestly theyre not bad. Rotom mow is like.. useless. I couldnt think of a way to establish a niche for it. Its immune to sleep which is nice I guess except the grass typing grants no valuable resists and electric doesnt help. You *could* try and check ogre except for the fact that it runs ice beam. Electric typing itself gives a resist to electric which rotom heat/magnezone are far better for and the resist to flying is negated by grass type. I had intended to make regurlar old rotom be speed focused, but with the original plan already falling apart, I scrapped the idea and went for rotom being a jack-of-all to still pay homage to the idea of each having a specific specialty. What could it be used for? I have no fucking idea.


EDIT: Anaconja for fuck's sake ma'am I've told you I wanted to revert the 65 bp move "ban" and you never give me a concrete yes or no.

 

[Champion Leon]

When do we get to see the results of the balanced slate for the vote?

Also, I like the idea of having more -Ate checks, Registeel is great but we need something that can avoid being weak to Fire and Ground, as you never know which coverage move they will select.

Great job everyone ;)

 

[anaconja]

When do we get to see the results of the balanced slate for the vote?

Also, I like the idea of having more -Ate checks, Registeel is great but we need something that can avoid being weak to Fire and Ground, as you never know which coverage move they will select.

Great job everyone ;)

Whoops, forgot to post it.

The results: my Tapu Fini nerf (100/70/130/110/140/80), my Mega Camerupt nerf (105/115/120/145/135/20), Chessking345's Golisopod nerf (120/135/145/80/80/65), Chessking345's Assault Armor nerf (1.2x Defense and Special Defense), and Chessking345's Brightpowder nerf (0.8x from Dark and Ghost-type attacks).

Also, reminder that voting starts in four days!

 

[anaconja]

Rotom forme voting is up.

 

[anaconja]

rip triple post

Chessking's Rotom-Wash, Rotom-Heat, Rotom-Mow, Rotom-Frost, and Rotom-Fan buffs go through. Rotom is tied, so here's the tiebreaker + next slate vote.

I'll edit this post when the slate is decided so I don't get banned.

anaconjedit: My 80 / 69 / 110 / 110 / 150 / 91 Rotom wins, and the next slate are the Swords of Justice! The slate after that will focus on Mega Pokemon.

 

[Zovrah]

rip triple post

Chessking's Rotom-Wash, Rotom-Heat, Rotom-Mow, Rotom-Frost, and Rotom-Fan buffs go through. Rotom is tied, so here's the tiebreaker + next slate vote.

I'll edit this post when the slate is decided so I don't get banned.

anaconjedit: My 80 / 69 / 110 / 110 / 150 / 91 Rotom wins, and the next slate are the Swords of Justice! The slate after that will focus on Mega Pokemon.

BST Limit tho?