Deoxys-N (Uber) [QC: 0/2]

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[OVERVIEW]
Deoxys seems poised to be a great attacker. 150 base Attack and Special Attack are promising when combined with the third fastest speed in the game. Even though its defenses aren’t too horrible, they’re definitely not the best.

It’s a shame Deoxys-A exists, since the name of the game is in the forme’s name. Deoxys-A outclasses Deoxys (except for the sprites, and even that’s a debate), and even though the former has some of the worst defensive stats in the game, it also has the absolute highest offensive stats in the game too, while sharing the amazing 150 base speed of Deoxys. The only edge that Deoxys has over its attacking counterpart is the ability to always survive an uninvested Pursuit from Metagross from full HP, even if it chooses to switch out.

What semblance of a niche Deoxys has in a metagame with legal Deoxys-A is very hard to find, and the following sets are entirely outclassed by Deoxys-A.




[SET]
name: MATCHUP FISH (Pursuit)
move 1: Shadow Ball
move 2: Superpower
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Pursuit
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Naive
evs: 252 Atk / 64 Def / 12 SpA / 180 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves

Shadow Ball hits targets like Latios and Latias hard with supereffective damage. Superpower hits the normal-types immune to Shadow Ball super effectively. Thunder hits flying types and Kyogre hard, however for this set, it is for Metagross. Pursuit hits opposing Deoxys-A for supereffective damage, OHKOing any who even stay in.

Set Details
Attack is maximized for the highest amount of damage from Shadow Ball and Superpower. The given defense EVs allow it to survive a Spell Tag Deoxys-A’s Extreme Speed and OHKO back with Pursuit. 12 Special Attack EVs 3HKO 252 / 0 Metagross with Thunder, while the Speed investment outruns neutral natured base 55 Speed (Exeggutor and Omastar) Pokémon in their Speed boosting weather.



Team Options
========

Pokémon who can take hits for Deoxys and dish them back out are usually great partners. Groudon is likely its best friend, since its massive bulk allows it to take Extreme Speed from opposing Deoxys and Rayquaza and shrug off the damage, while dealing with dangerous swift swim sweepers like Kabutops and Omastar, although with the latter, it must watch for Ice Beam on the switch. Snorlax shrugs off special attacks aimed at Deoxys and proceeds to set up Curse. Rayquaza is an offensive partner who appreciates Deoxys’s ability to weaken or KO Latios and Latias.


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A Calm Mind set may sound good on paper, however Deoxys’s low defenses and low attacking stats compared to Deoxys-A means that it does not scare out as many Pokemon, meaning that targets Deoxys would like to set up on. Substitute + Liechi Berry sets are outclassed by Choice Band due to it taking many turns to set up, and Substitute + Petaya Berry sets are entirely outclassed by Deoxys-A.

Checks and Counters
===================

Even though it’s outclassed by its attacking counterpart, Deoxys is strong enough to have no counters by the usual terms. There is always one move its checks fear.

**Metagross**: Metagross fears nothing but Sun boosted Fire Punch, and can Pursuit Deoxys down to very low health, sometimes even KOing outright with Spikes in the picture.

**Rayquaza**: Although it must avoid Rock Slide or Ice Beam upon entry and stay pretty healthy, as long as Deoxys doesn’t have a Substitute, Extreme Speed will OHKO and force the Deoxys user to switch.

**Groudon**: Thanks to its great physical defense and immunity to Thunder, Groudon can tank every move Deoxys fires out bar Ice Beam and Fire Punch, and proceed to Earthquake it to dust.

**Deoxys-A**: Although it can’t switch into any attack at all, Deoxys-A threatens to OHKO with Shadow Ball or Extreme Speed.

**Weather Sweepers**: Weather sweepers in their respective weathers outspeed and OHKO with their STAB attacks.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Sagdiyev, 548404]]
- Quality checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
 
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Would you mind citing me for the second set? From my experience of using that set, removing deo-a is often all it does. Even so, some players have brought +spe deoxys-attack against me, which rendered that set useless. Also, it's a deadweight against defensive teams. It might be worth mentioning that the atk and spe EVs can be swapped. That way, deoxys-n will always at least force a speed tie... In case you find these information useful.
 
Although the title has been edited a while ago (and I’ve said this in the ADV ubercord and the old hens C&C cord), I’m posting this message to officially announce that this analysis is now QC ready.
 

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This world is but tiny in the vastness of space…

[OVERVIEW]
Deoxys seems poised to be a great attacker. 150 base Attack and Special Attack are promising when combined with the third fastest speed Speed in the game. Even though its defenses aren’t too horrible, they’re definitely not the best.

It’s a shame Deoxys-A exists, since the name of the game is in the forme’s name. Deoxys-A outclasses Deoxys (except for the sprites, and even that’s a debate), and even though the former has some of the worst defensive stats in the game, it also has the absolute highest offensive stats in the game too, while sharing the amazing 150 base speed of Deoxys. The only edge that Deoxys has over its attacking counterpart is the ability to always survive an uninvested Pursuit from Metagross from full HP, even if it chooses to switch out.

What semblance of a niche Deoxys has in a metagame with legal Deoxys-A is very hard to find, and the following sets are entirely outclassed by Deoxys-A.


[SET]
name: USE DEOXYS ATTACK (Choice Band)
move 1: Shadow Ball
move 2: Superpower
move 3: Extreme Speed
move 4: Pursuit
item: Choice Band
ability: Pressure
nature: Lonely / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Moves

Deoxys-A does this better due to its higher offensive stats. However, banded Shadow Ball still does a lot of damage to non-resists or immunities. Superpower destroys the steels and normals who dare to try and switch in. Extreme Speed can revenge kill Pokémon who have boosted their speed, or revenge kill opposing Deoxys who are potentially locked into another move. Pursuit OHKOs opposing Deoxys-A who choose to stay in.

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Set Details

Maximum Attack and maximum Speed is invested for Deoxys to use the boost from Choice Band to the fullest. Lonely is the main nature used to boost Deoxys’s Attack even further; don’t use Naughty (or natures which reduce your special defense like Rash or Naive). This is to survive Metagross’s Pursuit from full health. Given no investment into Metagross’s Special Attack, a switching boosted Pursuit against a Lonely Deoxys will do 78.8 - 92.9%, compared to 88.7 - 104.5% against a Naughty one. An alternative nature to use is Hasty, since it will likely win the speed tie with opposing Deoxys, considering the prominence of Lonely (or Mild on special sets).

(This set has absolutely no niche, can maybe be moved to OO.)



[SET]
name: MATCHUP FISH (Pursuit)
move 1: Shadow Ball
move 2: Superpower
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Pursuit
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Naive
evs: 252 Atk / 64 Def / 12 SpA / 180 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
(Merge the two paragraphs into one and give a short explanation as to what this set aims to do eg: the purpose of this set is that of a revenge killer that is similar to Deoxys-A but can beat it one-on-one)

Shadow Ball hits targets like Latios and Latias hard with supereffective damage. Superpower hits the Normal-types immune to Shadow Ball super effectively. Thunder hits Flying-types and Kyogre hard, however for this set, it is for Metagross(reword this sentence so it explains WHAT Flying-types and why it doesn't run Fire Punch for Metagross). Pursuit OHKOs hits opposing Deoxys-A. for supereffective damage, OHKOing any who even stay in.

Set Details
Attack is maximized for the highest amount of damage from Shadow Ball and Superpower. The given defense EVs allow it to survive a Spell Tag Deoxys-A’s Extreme Speed and OHKO back with Pursuit. 12 Special Attack EVs 3HKO 252 / 0 Metagross with Thunder, while the speed Speed investment outruns neutral natured base 55 speed Speed (Exeggutor and Omastar) Pokémon in their speed boosting weather.



Team Options
========

Pokémon who can take hits for Deoxys and dish them back out are usually great partners. (this sentence provides no info whatsoever, any Pokemon can take hits better than Deoxys. Write what kind of teams appreciate having Deoxys, aka offense) Groudon is likely its best friend, since its massive bulk allows it to take Extreme Speed from opposing Deoxys and Rayquaza and shrug off the damage, while dealing with dangerous swift swim Swift Swim sweepers like Kabutops and Omastar, although with the latter, it must watch for Ice Beam on the switch. Snorlax shrugs off special attacks aimed at Deoxys and proceeds to set up Curse. Rayquaza is an offensive partner who appreciates Deoxys’s ability to weaken or KO Latios and Latias.


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A Calm Mind set may sound good on paper, however Deoxys’s low defenses and low attacking stats compared to Deoxys-A means that it does not scare out as many Pokemon, meaning that targets Deoxys would like to set up on. Substitute + Liechi Berry sets are outclassed by Choice Band due to it taking many turns to set up, and Substitute + Petaya Berry sets are entirely outclassed by Deoxys-A. (CB set goes here, maybe mention optios such as Fire Punch and/or Rock Slide?)

Checks and Counters
===================

Even though it’s outclassed by its attacking counterpart, Deoxys is strong enough to have no counters by the usual terms. There is always one move its checks fear. (not needed)

**Metagross**: Metagross fears nothing but Sun boosted Fire Punch threatens to OHKO Deoxys with its physical moves or trap it with Pursuit, but must be wary of Fire Punch as its Pursuit doesn't KO without Deoxys switching out.

**Rayquaza**: Although it must avoid Rock Slide or Ice Beam upon entry and stay pretty healthy, as long as Deoxys doesn’t have a Substitute, Extreme Speed will OHKO and force the Deoxys user to switch. Rayquaza can survive any hit thrown its way and threaten to OHKO with Extreme Speed.

**Groudon**: Thanks to its great physical defense and immunity to Thunder, Groudon can tank every move Deoxys fires out bar Ice Beam and Fire Punch, and proceed to OHKO with Earthquake it to dust.

**Deoxys-A**: Although it can’t switch into any attack at all, Choice Banded Deoxys-A threatens to OHKO with Shadow Ball or Extreme Speed.

**Weather Sweepers**: Weather sweepers in their respective weathers outspeed and OHKO with their STAB attacks.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Sagdiyev, 548404]]
- Quality checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]

I know this is a lot, ping me here or on discord so I can take another look before stamping.
 

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why does this pokemon even need a revamp?
we're revamping the entire dex as the ADV dex doesn't follow the format that the rest of the analyses do. Deo-N barely has anything written on it, with 1 sentence for each of its two sets, neither of which is the set almost everyone agrees is its only niche.
 

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