Ubers Cune [QC 1/1] [GP 2/2]

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its impressive bulk, good defensive typing, and Pressure, Suicune can PP stall many Pokemon in Ubers, such as Necrozma-DM, slow Yveltal, Eternatus lacking Toxic, Ho-Oh, Blissey, and Tyranitar. The combination of Calm Mind, Substitute, and Scald's burn chance leaves few Pokemon that can offensively threaten Suicune without being stalled out or crippled. Furthermore, Suicune is very potent against passive teams, wearing down the PP of Water-type checks such as Dragon Tail Eternatus, which wall other Water-types like Kyogre. On the other hand, it faces heavy competition as an offensive Pokemon from Kyogre, thanks to its much higher Special Attack and stronger moves. Additionally, Suicune has no reliable recovery, leaving it easily worn down by entry hazards and other sources of chip damage. This also means it is extremely reliant on Leftovers, leaving it weak to Knock Off. Finally, without Rest, Suicune is very susceptible to status conditions.

[SET]
name: VinCune
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Substitute / Rest
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 44 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Calm Mind prevents Pokemon such as Eternatus and Calm Mind Kyogre from breaking its Substitute, and it lets Suicune threaten walls such as Necrozma-DM if it stays in long enough. Scald's burn chance discourages physical attackers such as Marshadow and Groudon from switching in or setting up, reduces the chance of Ferrothorn breaking its Substitute, and helps chip Eternatus over time. Substitute blocks status moves from slower Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Blissey, with the HP and Defense EVs letting Suicune's Substitute take multiple hits from these foes, in particular two Knock Offs from Necrozma-DM and two Seismic Tosses from Blissey. Protect is useful in tandem with Pressure to further waste the foe's PP. It can also scout Choice-locked Pokemon such as Calyrex-S, Kyogre, and Marshadow. Be careful, however, of allowing in threats such as Zekrom for free. Rest can be used to shrug off status from Eternatus, stay healthy throughout a game to sponge attacks from the likes of Galarian Darmanitan and Weavile, and avoid wasting PP for two turns. However, The sleep turns let opponents bring in strong attackers. 36 Defense EVs with a Bold nature let Suicune's Substitute withstand a maximum Attack burned Groudon's Earthquake. 44 Special Defense EVs alongside maximum HP investment allow the Substitute to survive a Dynamax Cannon from uninvested Eternatus after a Calm Mind. All these EVs can be dropped for more Defense if not running Substitute. 176 Speed EVs outspeed everything up to Adamant Dracovish.

Pokemon that can take strong physical hits for Suicune such as Xerneas and Zygarde-C are appreciated. Electric-immune or resistant teammates such as Groudon and Ferrothorn help cover Suicune's most dangerous type weakness. A cleric such as Blissey or Calyrex-S can aid Suicune with its weakness to status and can end sleep on Rest variants. Entry hazard removers such as Yveltal and Ho-Oh are necessary, as hazards very easily wear Suicune down. Toxic Spikes Eternatus can help Suicune to wear down susceptible Pokemon with Substitute and Protect. Offensive teammates such as Marshadow, Calyrex-S, and Geomancy Xerneas appreciate Suicune stalling out walls. It burning foes such as Yveltal, Lunala, and Necrozma-DM is appreciated by dangerous sweepers such as Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Geomancy Xerneas, as they get free momentum to set up and sweep. Suicune is also useful on more defensive teams, as it paired with Eternatus forms a solid Pressure core that can win the PP war against opposing walls.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Sleep Talk can be used instead of Protect alongside Rest, but this leaves Suicune much worse at PP stalling.

Checks and Counters
====

**Zarude**: Zarude can shrug off Scald, heal burns with Jungle Healing, and set up on Suicune.

**Palkia**: Palkia entirely walls Suicune; while it cannot risk switching in on Scald, it can easily set up its own Substitute against Suicune and use it as setup fodder.

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn has no trouble switching in on Suicune. Specially defensive variants, in particular, generally run a Grass-type attack like Power Whip or Bullet Seed, and Ferrothorn can use Suicune to set up its entry hazards.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Pokemon such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Groudon can deal heavy damage to Suicune that it struggles to heal off, though they must be wary of burns. In particular, Marshadow's Spectral Thief bypasses Suicune's Substitute and steals its boosts.

**Shedinja**: Suicune cannot harm Shedinja, though variants without Swords Dance may be PP stalled.

**Scale Shot**: While they hate being burned, Scale Shot users such as Rayquaza, Zekrom, and the aforementioned Palkia can break through Suicune's Substitute and inflict direct damage, ruining its PP stall strategy. The former two, in particular, have a 75% chance to break Suicune's Substitute in two hits.

**Status Conditions**: Without Rest, faster Pokemon with status such as Eternatus can easily cripple Suicune, especially with poison and burn.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal can completely shut Suicune down.

**Phazing**: Suicune can be phazed by Pokemon such as Lunala, Ho-Oh, and Kyogre, which negates its boosts and preys on its entry hazard weakness. Although the former doesn't want to be burned, Kyogre can be especially dangerous, as it can feign not having Roar and set up.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Mr Geets, 510170], [Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Minority, 222996], [Lasen, 273339]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429], [Sulo, 528036]]
 
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Eledyr

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bro just copy paste the old one :tymp:
You're right, I don't know why I didn't do that earlier :smogonbird:. I added some points to Mr. Geet's original analysis, but a good part of it is originated from him, so having him credited as a co-author seems legit. It was QC 1 at the time and on the verge of QC2. I added SiTuM and Minority to the credits as a consequence, but it will need a last QC check I guess. Anyway, this look ready for now on.
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its impressive bulk, good defensive typing and Pressure, Suicune can PP stall many Pokemon in Ubers, such as Necrozma-DM, slow Yveltal, Eternatus lacking Toxic, Ho-Oh, Blissey, and Tyranitar and Calm Mind Kyogre (no one going Kyogre on Suicune if it lacks Thunder/Roar). Suicune is adept at spreading burns. Along with Calm Mind and Substitute, this The combination of Calm Mind, Substitute, and Scald's burn chance leaves few Pokemon that can offensively threaten it Suicune without being stalled out. Furthermore, Suicune is very useful potent against passive teams, wearing down the PP of Water-type resists that would stop other Water-types such as Kyogre. On the other hand, it faces heavy competition from Kyogre, which outclasses it as a attacker thanks to its much higher Special Attack and stronger moves. Additionally, Suicune has no reliable recovery, leaving it easily worn down by entry hazards and other chip damage. This also means it is extremely reliant on Leftovers, leaving it weak to Knock Off. Finally, without Rest, Suicune is very susceptible to status conditions.

[SET]
name: VineCune VinCune
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Substitute / Rest
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 44 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Calm Mind allows Suicune to prevent Pokemon such as Eternatus and Calm Mind Kyogre from breaking its Substitute while allowing it to threaten walls such as Necrozma-DM if it stays in long enough. Scald's burn chance discourages physical attackers such as Marshadow and Groudon from switching in or setting up, while weakening Pokemon such as Ferrothorn so that they cannot break Suicune's Substitute reduces the chance of Ferrothorn breaking its Substitute and . Burns are also useful to chip down walls such as helps chip opposing Eternatus over time (last sentence can be changed however you wish, just setting the foundation of what I assume we want it to say). Substitute lets Suicune blocks status moves from slower Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Blissey. Creating Substitutes against walls that cannot break them allow Suicune to PP stall more effectively. (if you mean make 101 HP Subs, say it by name. If you mean that the two pokemon basically never break Sub, mention that!) Protect is useful in tandem with Pressure to safely further waste the foe's PP. It can also be used to scout choice-locked Pokemon such as Calyrex-S, Kyogre, and Marshadow. Be careful, however, of allowing in threats such as Zekrom for free. Rest can be used to shrug off status such as from Eternatus, stay healthy throughout a game to sponge attacks such as from the likes of Galarian Darmanitan and Excadrill Weavile as well as not waste PP for two turns. The sleep turns are risky, however, and can be abused to bring in a strong attacker. Leftovers are used to reliably recover HP with Protect and Substitute. 36 Defense EVs with a Bold nature makes 108 Attack Groudon able to only 6HKO Suicune with Precipice Blades when burned and 5HKO with Stone Edge when not, allowing you to keep up Substitute against it (idk where these EVs come from, but just say that it stops "standard" burned Groudon from breaking your Substitute with Earthquake because all Groudons either run max atk or none). 44 Special Defense alongside with its HP investment allows your Substitute to survive a Dynamax Cannon from uninvested Eternatus after a Calm Mind. This can be dropped for more Defense if not running Substitute. 176 Speed is used to outspeed everything up to Adamant Dracovish.

Pokemon that can take strong physical hits for Suicune such as Xerneas and Zygarde-C are appreciated. Electric-type resists such as Groudon and Ferrothorn help cover Suicune's most dangerous weakness. A cleric such as Blissey or Calyrex-S can aid Suicune with its weakness to status and are also useful to end Sleep on Rest variants. Hazard removers such as Yveltal and Ho-Oh are necessary as Suicune is very easily worn down by entry hazards. Toxic Spikes Eternatus can help Suicune to wear down susceptible Pokemon with Substitute and Protect. Offensive teammates such as Marshadow, Calyrex-S, and Geomancy Xerneas appreciate Suicune's ability to stall out walls. Burned foes such as Yveltal, Lunala, and Necrozma-DM are appreciated by dangerous sweepers such as Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Geomancy Xerneas to get free momentum to set up and break through the opposing team. Suicune is also useful on more defensive teams to win the PP war against opposing walls, especially in pair when paired up with Eternatus, forming a solid Pressure core.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Sleep Talk can be used instead of Protect alongside Rest but leaves Suicune much worse at PP stalling.

Checks and Counters
====

**Zarude**: Zarude can shrug off Scald, heal burns with Jungle Healing and can set up on Suicune.

**Palkia**: Palkia entirely walls Suicune. While it cannot risk switching in on Scald, it can easily set up its own Substitute against Suicune, and use it as setup fodder.

**Scale Shot Users**: While they hate being burned, Scale Shot users such as Rayquaza, Zekrom, and the aforementioned Palkia can break through Suicune's Substitute and inflict direct damages, ruining its PP stall strategy. The former two in particular have a 75% chance to break Suicune's Substitute in two hits.
(move all three of these WAY lower cause you barely see any of them)

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn has no trouble switching in on Suicune. Specially defensive variants in particular generally run a Grass-type attack like Power Whip or Bullet Seed, and can use Suicune to set up its entry hazards.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Pokemon such as Marshadow, Zekrom and Groudon can deal heavy damage to Suicune that it struggles to heal off, though they must be wary of burns. In particular, Marshadow's Spectral Thief bypasses Suicune's Substitute and steal its boosts.

**Shedinja**: Suicune cannot harm Shedinja, though variants without Swords Dance may be PP stalled.

**Status Conditions**: Without Rest, Suicune can be easily crippled by faster Pokemon with status such as Eternatus. In particular, poison and burn damages ruin Suicune's strategy if it doesn't run Rest.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal can completely shut Suicune down.

**Phazing**: Suicune can be phazed by Pokemon such as Lunala, Ho-Oh, and Kyogre, which stops it from boosting and preys on its entry hazard weakness. While the former doesn't want to be burned, Kyogre can be especially dangerous as it can feign not having Roar and set up.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Mr Geets, 510170] and [Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Minority, 222996], [username3, userid3]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]


implement carefully cause I fixed some spelling errors, added/removed some comas and capitalized Ho-Oh properly.
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Eledyr

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its impressive bulk, good defensive typing and Pressure, Suicune can PP stall many Pokemon in Ubers, such as Necrozma-DM, slow Yveltal, Eternatus lacking Toxic, Ho-Oh, Blissey, and Tyranitar and Calm Mind Kyogre (no one going Kyogre on Suicune if it lacks Thunder/Roar). Suicune is adept at spreading burns. Along with Calm Mind and Substitute, this The combination of Calm Mind, Substitute, and Scald's burn chance leaves few Pokemon that can offensively threaten it Suicune without being stalled out. Furthermore, Suicune is very useful potent against passive teams, wearing down the PP of Water-type resists that would stop other Water-types such as Kyogre. On the other hand, it faces heavy competition from Kyogre, which outclasses it as a attacker thanks to its much higher Special Attack and stronger moves. Additionally, Suicune has no reliable recovery, leaving it easily worn down by entry hazards and other chip damage. This also means it is extremely reliant on Leftovers, leaving it weak to Knock Off. Finally, without Rest, Suicune is very susceptible to status conditions.

[SET]
name: VineCune VinCune
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Substitute / Rest
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 44 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Calm Mind allows Suicune to prevent Pokemon such as Eternatus and Calm Mind Kyogre from breaking its Substitute while allowing it to threaten walls such as Necrozma-DM if it stays in long enough. Scald's burn chance discourages physical attackers such as Marshadow and Groudon from switching in or setting up, while weakening Pokemon such as Ferrothorn so that they cannot break Suicune's Substitute reduces the chance of Ferrothorn breaking its Substitute and . Burns are also useful to chip down walls such as helps chip opposing Eternatus over time (last sentence can be changed however you wish, just setting the foundation of what I assume we want it to say). Substitute lets Suicune blocks status moves from slower Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Blissey. Creating Substitutes against walls that cannot break them allow Suicune to PP stall more effectively. (if you mean make 101 HP Subs, say it by name. If you mean that the two pokemon basically never break Sub, mention that!) Protect is useful in tandem with Pressure to safely further waste the foe's PP. It can also be used to scout choice-locked Pokemon such as Calyrex-S, Kyogre, and Marshadow. Be careful, however, of allowing in threats such as Zekrom for free. Rest can be used to shrug off status such as from Eternatus, stay healthy throughout a game to sponge attacks such as from the likes of Galarian Darmanitan and Excadrill Weavile as well as not waste PP for two turns. The sleep turns are risky, however, and can be abused to bring in a strong attacker. Leftovers are used to reliably recover HP with Protect and Substitute. 36 Defense EVs with a Bold nature makes 108 Attack Groudon able to only 6HKO Suicune with Precipice Blades when burned and 5HKO with Stone Edge when not, allowing you to keep up Substitute against it (idk where these EVs come from, but just say that it stops "standard" burned Groudon from breaking your Substitute with Earthquake because all Groudons either run max atk or none). 44 Special Defense alongside with its HP investment allows your Substitute to survive a Dynamax Cannon from uninvested Eternatus after a Calm Mind. This can be dropped for more Defense if not running Substitute. 176 Speed is used to outspeed everything up to Adamant Dracovish.

Pokemon that can take strong physical hits for Suicune such as Xerneas and Zygarde-C are appreciated. Electric-type resists such as Groudon and Ferrothorn help cover Suicune's most dangerous weakness. A cleric such as Blissey or Calyrex-S can aid Suicune with its weakness to status and are also useful to end Sleep on Rest variants. Hazard removers such as Yveltal and Ho-Oh are necessary as Suicune is very easily worn down by entry hazards. Toxic Spikes Eternatus can help Suicune to wear down susceptible Pokemon with Substitute and Protect. Offensive teammates such as Marshadow, Calyrex-S, and Geomancy Xerneas appreciate Suicune's ability to stall out walls. Burned foes such as Yveltal, Lunala, and Necrozma-DM are appreciated by dangerous sweepers such as Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Geomancy Xerneas to get free momentum to set up and break through the opposing team. Suicune is also useful on more defensive teams to win the PP war against opposing walls, especially in pair when paired up with Eternatus, forming a solid Pressure core.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Sleep Talk can be used instead of Protect alongside Rest but leaves Suicune much worse at PP stalling.

Checks and Counters
====

**Zarude**: Zarude can shrug off Scald, heal burns with Jungle Healing and can set up on Suicune.

**Palkia**: Palkia entirely walls Suicune. While it cannot risk switching in on Scald, it can easily set up its own Substitute against Suicune, and use it as setup fodder.

**Scale Shot Users**: While they hate being burned, Scale Shot users such as Rayquaza, Zekrom, and the aforementioned Palkia can break through Suicune's Substitute and inflict direct damages, ruining its PP stall strategy. The former two in particular have a 75% chance to break Suicune's Substitute in two hits.
(move all three of these WAY lower cause you barely see any of them)

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn has no trouble switching in on Suicune. Specially defensive variants in particular generally run a Grass-type attack like Power Whip or Bullet Seed, and can use Suicune to set up its entry hazards.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Pokemon such as Marshadow, Zekrom and Groudon can deal heavy damage to Suicune that it struggles to heal off, though they must be wary of burns. In particular, Marshadow's Spectral Thief bypasses Suicune's Substitute and steal its boosts.

**Shedinja**: Suicune cannot harm Shedinja, though variants without Swords Dance may be PP stalled.

**Status Conditions**: Without Rest, Suicune can be easily crippled by faster Pokemon with status such as Eternatus. In particular, poison and burn damages ruin Suicune's strategy if it doesn't run Rest.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal can completely shut Suicune down.

**Phazing**: Suicune can be phazed by Pokemon such as Lunala, Ho-Oh, and Kyogre, which stops it from boosting and preys on its entry hazard weakness. While the former doesn't want to be burned, Kyogre can be especially dangerous as it can feign not having Roar and set up.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Mr Geets, 510170] and [Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Minority, 222996], [username3, userid3]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]


implement carefully cause I fixed some spelling errors, added/removed some comas and capitalized Ho-Oh properly.
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Thanks for your quick check, this is now ready for GP :psyglad:
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its impressive bulk, good defensive typing, (AC) and Pressure, Suicune can PP stall many Pokemon in Ubers, such as Necrozma-DM, slow Yveltal, Eternatus lacking Toxic, Ho-Oh, Blissey, and Tyranitar. The combination of Calm Mind, Substitute, and Scald's burn chance leaves few Pokemon that can offensively threaten Suicune without being stalled out. Furthermore, Suicune is very potent against passive teams, wearing down the PP of Water-type resists Water-resistant Pokemon that would stop other Water-types such as Kyogre. (do "Water-resistant Pokemon, such as Kyogre, that would..." if you meant Kyogre as the 'Water-resistant' Pokemon, or "stop other Water-types, (AC) such as Kyogre" if you meant Kyogre as the 'other Water-type') On the other hand, it faces heavy competition from Kyogre, which outclasses it as a an attacker thanks to its much higher Special Attack and stronger moves. Additionally, Suicune has no reliable recovery, leaving it easily worn down by entry hazards and other sources of chip damage. This also means it is extremely reliant on Leftovers, leaving it weak to Knock Off. Finally, without Rest, Suicune is very susceptible to status conditions.

[SET]
name: VinCune
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Substitute / Rest
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 44 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Calm Mind allows Suicune to prevent Pokemon such as Eternatus and Calm Mind Kyogre from breaking its Substitute while allowing it to threaten Substitute, as well as threatening walls such as Necrozma-DM if it stays in long enough. Scald's burn chance discourages physical attackers such as Marshadow and Groudon from switching in or setting up, reduces the chance of Ferrothorn breaking its Substitute, (AC) and helps chip opposing Eternatus over time. (removed QC comment) Substitute blocks status moves from slower Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Blissey, while HP and Defense investments EVs let Suicune's Substitute take multiple hits from these foes, in particular two Knock Off Offs from Necrozma-DM and two Seismic Toss Tosses from Blissey. Protect is useful in tandem with Pressure to further waste the foe's PP. It can also be used to scout choice-locked scout Choice-locked Pokemon such as Calyrex-S, Kyogre, and Marshadow. Be careful, however, of allowing in threats such as Zekrom for free. Rest can be used to shrug off status from Eternatus, stay healthy throughout a game to sponge attacks from the likes of Galarian Darmanitan and Excadrill Weavile as well as not waste Weavile, and avoid wasting PP for two turns. The sleep turns are risky, however, and can be abused to letting opponents bring in a strong attacker. 36 Defense EVs with a Bold nature lets let Suicune's Substitute resist a fully invested burned Groudon's Earthquake. 44 Special Defense EVs alongside with its HP investment allows your allow the Substitute to survive a Dynamax Cannon from uninvested Eternatus after a Calm Mind. This number (or did you mean like "All these EVs..." ?) can be dropped for more Defense if not running Substitute. 176 Speed is used to EVs outspeed everything up to Adamant Dracovish.

Pokemon that can take strong physical hits for Suicune such as Xerneas and Zygarde-C are appreciated. Electric-type resists Electric-immune or resistant teammates such as Groudon and Ferrothorn help cover Suicune's most dangerous type weakness. A cleric such as Blissey or Calyrex-S can aid Suicune with its weakness to status, (AC) and they are also useful to end Sleep sleep on Rest variants. Entry hazard removers such as Yveltal and Ho-Oh are necessary, (AC) as Suicune is very easily worn down by entry hazards. hazards very easily wear Suicune down. Toxic Spikes Eternatus can help Suicune to wear down susceptible Pokemon with Substitute and Protect. Offensive teammates such as Marshadow, Calyrex-S, and Geomancy Xerneas appreciate Suicune's ability to stall Suicune stalling out walls. Burned It burning foes such as Yveltal, Lunala, and Necrozma-DM are appreciated by helps dangerous sweepers such as Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Geomancy Xerneas to get free momentum to set up and break through the opposing team. sweep. Suicune is also useful on more defensive teams to win the PP war against opposing walls, especially when paired up with Eternatus, forming a solid Pressure core.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Sleep Talk can be used instead of Protect alongside Rest, (AC) but this leaves Suicune much worse at PP stalling.

Checks and Counters
====

**Zarude**: Zarude can shrug off Scald, heal burns with Jungle Healing, (AC) and can set up on Suicune.

**Palkia**: Palkia entirely walls Suicune. While it cannot risk switching in on Scald, it can easily set up its own Substitute against Suicune, and then use it as setup fodder.

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn has no trouble switching in on Suicune. Specially defensive variant variants in particular generally runs run a Grass-type attack like Power Whip or Bullet Seed, and Ferrothorn (or did you mean like "they" for just specially defensive variants?) can use Suicune to set up its entry hazards.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Pokemon such as Marshadow, Zekrom, (AC) and Groudon can deal heavy damage to Suicune that it struggles to heal off, though they must be wary of burns. In particular, Marshadow's Spectral Thief bypasses Suicune's Substitute and steal steals its boosts.

**Shedinja**: Suicune cannot harm Shedinja, though variants without Swords Dance may be PP stalled.

**Scale Shot Users**: While they hate being burned, Scale Shot users such as Rayquaza, Zekrom, and the aforementioned Palkia can break through Suicune's Substitute and inflict direct damages, damage, ruining its PP stall strategy. The former two in particular have a 75% chance to break Suicune's Substitute in two hits.

**Status Conditions**: Without Rest, Suicune can be easily crippled by faster Pokemon with status such as Eternatus. In particular, poison and burn damages ruin Suicune's strategy if it doesn't run Rest. Eternatus can easily cripple Suicune, especially with poison and burn.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal can completely shut Suicune down.

**Phazing**: Suicune can be phazed by Pokemon such as Lunala, Ho-Oh, and Kyogre, which stops it from boosting negates its boosts and preys on its entry hazard weakness. While Although the former doesn't want to be burned, Kyogre can be especially dangerous, (AC) as it can feign not having Roar and set up.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Mr Geets, 510170], [Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Minority, 222996], [Lasen, 273339]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429], [username2, userid2]]
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Eledyr

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its impressive bulk, good defensive typing, (AC) and Pressure, Suicune can PP stall many Pokemon in Ubers, such as Necrozma-DM, slow Yveltal, Eternatus lacking Toxic, Ho-Oh, Blissey, and Tyranitar. The combination of Calm Mind, Substitute, and Scald's burn chance leaves few Pokemon that can offensively threaten Suicune without being stalled out. Furthermore, Suicune is very potent against passive teams, wearing down the PP of Water-type resists Water-resistant Pokemon that would stop other Water-types such as Kyogre. (do "Water-resistant Pokemon, such as Kyogre, that would..." if you meant Kyogre as the 'Water-resistant' Pokemon, or "stop other Water-types, (AC) such as Kyogre" if you meant Kyogre as the 'other Water-type') On the other hand, it faces heavy competition from Kyogre, which outclasses it as a an attacker thanks to its much higher Special Attack and stronger moves. Additionally, Suicune has no reliable recovery, leaving it easily worn down by entry hazards and other sources of chip damage. This also means it is extremely reliant on Leftovers, leaving it weak to Knock Off. Finally, without Rest, Suicune is very susceptible to status conditions.

[SET]
name: VinCune
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Substitute / Rest
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 44 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Calm Mind allows Suicune to prevent Pokemon such as Eternatus and Calm Mind Kyogre from breaking its Substitute while allowing it to threaten Substitute, as well as threatening walls such as Necrozma-DM if it stays in long enough. Scald's burn chance discourages physical attackers such as Marshadow and Groudon from switching in or setting up, reduces the chance of Ferrothorn breaking its Substitute, (AC) and helps chip opposing Eternatus over time. (removed QC comment) Substitute blocks status moves from slower Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Blissey, while HP and Defense investments EVs let Suicune's Substitute take multiple hits from these foes, in particular two Knock Off Offs from Necrozma-DM and two Seismic Toss Tosses from Blissey. Protect is useful in tandem with Pressure to further waste the foe's PP. It can also be used to scout choice-locked scout Choice-locked Pokemon such as Calyrex-S, Kyogre, and Marshadow. Be careful, however, of allowing in threats such as Zekrom for free. Rest can be used to shrug off status from Eternatus, stay healthy throughout a game to sponge attacks from the likes of Galarian Darmanitan and Excadrill Weavile as well as not waste Weavile, and avoid wasting PP for two turns. The sleep turns are risky, however, and can be abused to letting opponents bring in a strong attacker. 36 Defense EVs with a Bold nature lets let Suicune's Substitute resist a fully invested burned Groudon's Earthquake. 44 Special Defense EVs alongside with its HP investment allows your allow the Substitute to survive a Dynamax Cannon from uninvested Eternatus after a Calm Mind. This number (or did you mean like "All these EVs..." ?) can be dropped for more Defense if not running Substitute. 176 Speed is used to EVs outspeed everything up to Adamant Dracovish.

Pokemon that can take strong physical hits for Suicune such as Xerneas and Zygarde-C are appreciated. Electric-type resists Electric-immune or resistant teammates such as Groudon and Ferrothorn help cover Suicune's most dangerous type weakness. A cleric such as Blissey or Calyrex-S can aid Suicune with its weakness to status, (AC) and they are also useful to end Sleep sleep on Rest variants. Entry hazard removers such as Yveltal and Ho-Oh are necessary, (AC) as Suicune is very easily worn down by entry hazards. hazards very easily wear Suicune down. Toxic Spikes Eternatus can help Suicune to wear down susceptible Pokemon with Substitute and Protect. Offensive teammates such as Marshadow, Calyrex-S, and Geomancy Xerneas appreciate Suicune's ability to stall Suicune stalling out walls. Burned It burning foes such as Yveltal, Lunala, and Necrozma-DM are appreciated by helps dangerous sweepers such as Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Geomancy Xerneas to get free momentum to set up and break through the opposing team. sweep. Suicune is also useful on more defensive teams to win the PP war against opposing walls, especially when paired up with Eternatus, forming a solid Pressure core.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Sleep Talk can be used instead of Protect alongside Rest, (AC) but this leaves Suicune much worse at PP stalling.

Checks and Counters
====

**Zarude**: Zarude can shrug off Scald, heal burns with Jungle Healing, (AC) and can set up on Suicune.

**Palkia**: Palkia entirely walls Suicune. While it cannot risk switching in on Scald, it can easily set up its own Substitute against Suicune, and then use it as setup fodder.

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn has no trouble switching in on Suicune. Specially defensive variant variants in particular generally runs run a Grass-type attack like Power Whip or Bullet Seed, and Ferrothorn (or did you mean like "they" for just specially defensive variants?) can use Suicune to set up its entry hazards.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Pokemon such as Marshadow, Zekrom, (AC) and Groudon can deal heavy damage to Suicune that it struggles to heal off, though they must be wary of burns. In particular, Marshadow's Spectral Thief bypasses Suicune's Substitute and steal steals its boosts.

**Shedinja**: Suicune cannot harm Shedinja, though variants without Swords Dance may be PP stalled.

**Scale Shot Users**: While they hate being burned, Scale Shot users such as Rayquaza, Zekrom, and the aforementioned Palkia can break through Suicune's Substitute and inflict direct damages, damage, ruining its PP stall strategy. The former two in particular have a 75% chance to break Suicune's Substitute in two hits.

**Status Conditions**: Without Rest, Suicune can be easily crippled by faster Pokemon with status such as Eternatus. In particular, poison and burn damages ruin Suicune's strategy if it doesn't run Rest. Eternatus can easily cripple Suicune, especially with poison and burn.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal can completely shut Suicune down.

**Phazing**: Suicune can be phazed by Pokemon such as Lunala, Ho-Oh, and Kyogre, which stops it from boosting negates its boosts and preys on its entry hazard weakness. While Although the former doesn't want to be burned, Kyogre can be especially dangerous, (AC) as it can feign not having Roar and set up.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Mr Geets, 510170], [Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Minority, 222996], [Lasen, 273339]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429], [username2, userid2]]
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In the overview, what was meant is that other Water types such as Kyogre can be stopped by certain checks (such as Dragon Tail Eternatus), whereas Suicune's bulk, set, and access to Pressure let it break through these checks. I'm implanting a correction, I hope I made it clearer :psycry:
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its impressive bulk, good defensive typing, and Pressure, Suicune can PP stall many Pokemon in Ubers, such as Necrozma-DM, slow Yveltal, Eternatus lacking Toxic, Ho-Oh, Blissey, and Tyranitar. The combination of Calm Mind, Substitute, and Scald's burn chance leaves few Pokemon that can offensively threaten Suicune without being stalled out or crippled. Furthermore, Suicune is very potent against passive teams, wearing down the PP of Water-type checks such as Dragon Tail Eternatus, (ac) which wall other Water-types like Kyogre. On the other hand, it faces heavy competition as an offensive Pokemon from Kyogre, which outclasses it as an attacker thanks to its much higher Special Attack and stronger moves. Additionally, Suicune has no reliable recovery, leaving it easily worn down by entry hazards and other sources of chip damage. This also means it is extremely reliant on Leftovers, leaving it weak to Knock Off. Finally, without Rest, Suicune is very susceptible to status conditions.

[SET]
name: VinCune
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Substitute / Rest
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 44 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Calm Mind prevents allows Suicune to prevent Pokemon such as Eternatus and Calm Mind Kyogre from breaking its Substitute, and it lets Suicune threaten as well as threatening walls such as Necrozma-DM if it stays in long enough. Scald's burn chance discourages physical attackers such as Marshadow and Groudon from switching in or setting up, reduces the chance of Ferrothorn breaking its Substitute, and helps chip Eternatus over time. Substitute blocks status moves from slower Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Blissey, with the while HP and Defense EVs letting let Suicune's Substitute take multiple hits from these foes, in particular two Knock Offs from Necrozma-DM and two Seismic Tosses from Blissey. Protect is useful in tandem with Pressure to further waste the foe's PP. It can also scout Choice-locked Pokemon such as Calyrex-S, Kyogre, and Marshadow. Be careful, however, of allowing in threats such as Zekrom for free. Rest can be used to shrug off status from Eternatus, stay healthy throughout a game to sponge attacks from the likes of Galarian Darmanitan and Weavile, and avoid wasting PP for two turns. However, The sleep turns let opponents bring in strong attackers. are risky, however, letting opponents bring in a strong attacker. 36 Defense EVs with a Bold nature let Suicune's Substitute withstand resist (don't like using resist if it isn't in reference to an actual type resistance; a verb like this or something similar is better imo) a maximum Attack fully invested burned Groudon's Earthquake. 44 Special Defense EVs alongside maximum its HP investment allow the Substitute to survive a Dynamax Cannon from uninvested Eternatus after a Calm Mind. All these EVs can be dropped for more Defense if not running Substitute. 176 Speed EVs outspeed everything up to Adamant Dracovish.

Pokemon that can take strong physical hits for Suicune such as Xerneas and Zygarde-C are appreciated. Electric-immune or resistant teammates such as Groudon and Ferrothorn help cover Suicune's most dangerous type weakness. A cleric such as Blissey or Calyrex-S can aid Suicune with its weakness to status (rc) and can they are also useful to end sleep on Rest variants. Entry hazard removers such as Yveltal and Ho-Oh are necessary, as hazards very easily wear Suicune down. Toxic Spikes Eternatus can help Suicune to wear down susceptible Pokemon with Substitute and Protect. Offensive teammates such as Marshadow, Calyrex-S, and Geomancy Xerneas appreciate Suicune stalling out walls. It burning foes such as Yveltal, Lunala, and Necrozma-DM is are appreciated by dangerous sweepers such as Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Geomancy Xerneas, (ac) as they get free momentum to set up and sweep. (assuming this is what you meant) Suicune is also useful on more defensive teams, (ac) as it paired with Eternatus forms a solid Pressure core that can win the PP war against opposing walls. to win the PP war against opposing walls, especially when paired up with Eternatus, forming a solid Pressure core.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Sleep Talk can be used instead of Protect alongside Rest, but this leaves Suicune much worse at PP stalling.

Checks and Counters
====

**Zarude**: Zarude can shrug off Scald, heal burns with Jungle Healing, and set up on Suicune.

**Palkia**: Palkia entirely walls Suicune; (added semicolon) while . While it cannot risk switching in on Scald, it can easily set up its own Substitute against Suicune (rc) and then use it as setup fodder.

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn has no trouble switching in on Suicune. Specially defensive variants, in particular, (commas) generally run a Grass-type attack like Power Whip or Bullet Seed, and Ferrothorn can use Suicune to set up its entry hazards.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Pokemon such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Groudon can deal heavy damage to Suicune that it struggles to heal off, though they must be wary of burns. In particular, Marshadow's Spectral Thief bypasses Suicune's Substitute and steals its boosts.

**Shedinja**: Suicune cannot harm Shedinja, though variants without Swords Dance may be PP stalled.

**Scale Shot**: While they hate being burned, Scale Shot users such as Rayquaza, Zekrom, and the aforementioned Palkia can break through Suicune's Substitute and inflict direct damage, ruining its PP stall strategy. The former two, in particular, (commas) have a 75% chance to break Suicune's Substitute in two hits.

**Status Conditions**: Without Rest, faster Pokemon with status such as Eternatus can easily cripple Suicune, especially with poison and burn.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal can completely shut Suicune down.

**Phazing**: Suicune can be phazed by Pokemon such as Lunala, Ho-Oh, and Kyogre, which negates its boosts and preys on its entry hazard weakness. Although the former doesn't want to be burned, Kyogre can be especially dangerous, as it can feign not having Roar and set up.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Mr Geets, 510170], [Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Minority, 222996], [Lasen, 273339]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429], [Sulo, 528036]]

GP 2/2, ubers FINISHED (hopefully)
GP Team done
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its impressive bulk, good defensive typing, and Pressure, Suicune can PP stall many Pokemon in Ubers, such as Necrozma-DM, slow Yveltal, Eternatus lacking Toxic, Ho-Oh, Blissey, and Tyranitar. The combination of Calm Mind, Substitute, and Scald's burn chance leaves few Pokemon that can offensively threaten Suicune without being stalled out or crippled. Furthermore, Suicune is very potent against passive teams, wearing down the PP of Water-type checks such as Dragon Tail Eternatus, (ac) which wall other Water-types like Kyogre. On the other hand, it faces heavy competition as an offensive Pokemon from Kyogre, which outclasses it as an attacker thanks to its much higher Special Attack and stronger moves. Additionally, Suicune has no reliable recovery, leaving it easily worn down by entry hazards and other sources of chip damage. This also means it is extremely reliant on Leftovers, leaving it weak to Knock Off. Finally, without Rest, Suicune is very susceptible to status conditions.

[SET]
name: VinCune
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Scald
move 3: Substitute / Rest
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 44 SpD / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Calm Mind prevents allows Suicune to prevent Pokemon such as Eternatus and Calm Mind Kyogre from breaking its Substitute, and it lets Suicune threaten as well as threatening walls such as Necrozma-DM if it stays in long enough. Scald's burn chance discourages physical attackers such as Marshadow and Groudon from switching in or setting up, reduces the chance of Ferrothorn breaking its Substitute, and helps chip Eternatus over time. Substitute blocks status moves from slower Pokemon such as defensive Necrozma-DM and Blissey, with the while HP and Defense EVs letting let Suicune's Substitute take multiple hits from these foes, in particular two Knock Offs from Necrozma-DM and two Seismic Tosses from Blissey. Protect is useful in tandem with Pressure to further waste the foe's PP. It can also scout Choice-locked Pokemon such as Calyrex-S, Kyogre, and Marshadow. Be careful, however, of allowing in threats such as Zekrom for free. Rest can be used to shrug off status from Eternatus, stay healthy throughout a game to sponge attacks from the likes of Galarian Darmanitan and Weavile, and avoid wasting PP for two turns. However, The sleep turns let opponents bring in strong attackers. are risky, however, letting opponents bring in a strong attacker. 36 Defense EVs with a Bold nature let Suicune's Substitute withstand resist (don't like using resist if it isn't in reference to an actual type resistance; a verb like this or something similar is better imo) a maximum Attack fully invested burned Groudon's Earthquake. 44 Special Defense EVs alongside maximum its HP investment allow the Substitute to survive a Dynamax Cannon from uninvested Eternatus after a Calm Mind. All these EVs can be dropped for more Defense if not running Substitute. 176 Speed EVs outspeed everything up to Adamant Dracovish.

Pokemon that can take strong physical hits for Suicune such as Xerneas and Zygarde-C are appreciated. Electric-immune or resistant teammates such as Groudon and Ferrothorn help cover Suicune's most dangerous type weakness. A cleric such as Blissey or Calyrex-S can aid Suicune with its weakness to status (rc) and can they are also useful to end sleep on Rest variants. Entry hazard removers such as Yveltal and Ho-Oh are necessary, as hazards very easily wear Suicune down. Toxic Spikes Eternatus can help Suicune to wear down susceptible Pokemon with Substitute and Protect. Offensive teammates such as Marshadow, Calyrex-S, and Geomancy Xerneas appreciate Suicune stalling out walls. It burning foes such as Yveltal, Lunala, and Necrozma-DM is are appreciated by dangerous sweepers such as Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Geomancy Xerneas, (ac) as they get free momentum to set up and sweep. (assuming this is what you meant) Suicune is also useful on more defensive teams, (ac) as it paired with Eternatus forms a solid Pressure core that can win the PP war against opposing walls. to win the PP war against opposing walls, especially when paired up with Eternatus, forming a solid Pressure core.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Sleep Talk can be used instead of Protect alongside Rest, but this leaves Suicune much worse at PP stalling.

Checks and Counters
====

**Zarude**: Zarude can shrug off Scald, heal burns with Jungle Healing, and set up on Suicune.

**Palkia**: Palkia entirely walls Suicune; (added semicolon) while . While it cannot risk switching in on Scald, it can easily set up its own Substitute against Suicune (rc) and then use it as setup fodder.

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn has no trouble switching in on Suicune. Specially defensive variants, in particular, (commas) generally run a Grass-type attack like Power Whip or Bullet Seed, and Ferrothorn can use Suicune to set up its entry hazards.

**Strong Physical Attackers**: Pokemon such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Groudon can deal heavy damage to Suicune that it struggles to heal off, though they must be wary of burns. In particular, Marshadow's Spectral Thief bypasses Suicune's Substitute and steals its boosts.

**Shedinja**: Suicune cannot harm Shedinja, though variants without Swords Dance may be PP stalled.

**Scale Shot**: While they hate being burned, Scale Shot users such as Rayquaza, Zekrom, and the aforementioned Palkia can break through Suicune's Substitute and inflict direct damage, ruining its PP stall strategy. The former two, in particular, (commas) have a 75% chance to break Suicune's Substitute in two hits.

**Status Conditions**: Without Rest, faster Pokemon with status such as Eternatus can easily cripple Suicune, especially with poison and burn.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Yveltal can completely shut Suicune down.

**Phazing**: Suicune can be phazed by Pokemon such as Lunala, Ho-Oh, and Kyogre, which negates its boosts and preys on its entry hazard weakness. Although the former doesn't want to be burned, Kyogre can be especially dangerous, as it can feign not having Roar and set up.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Mr Geets, 510170], [Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Minority, 222996], [Lasen, 273339]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429], [Sulo, 528036]]

GP 2/2, ubers FINISHED (hopefully)
GP Team done
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Anyway this one is ready, thanks to everyone involved in it. Ubers is almost done! :psyglad:
 

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