1v1 BW Thundurus

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[SET]
name: Charge + Electric Gem
move 1: Charge
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Hidden Power Flying / Grass Knot / Substitute
item: Electric Gem
ability: Prankster
nature: Timid
evs: 12 HP / 252 Def / 12 SpA / 232 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=============
Charge and Electric Gem boost Thunderbolt to insane levels, letting it OHKO the likes of bulky Zapdos, Metagross, and non-Choice Scarf Genesect. Charge also boosts Thundurus's Special Defense, which is helpful versus various special attackers such as Volcarona and Choice Specs Zapdos, and Prankster lets it boost before faster special attackers move. Taunt allows Thundurus to shut down various passive threats like Sableye, Pressure Stall Aerodactyl, and SubSeed Serperior. Hidden Power Flying does more damage against Grass-types like Shaymin and Celebi, Grass Knot helps versus Rhyperior and Swampert, and Substitute buys Thundurus free turns versus the likes of Slaking.

EVs
=============
The given EV spread outspeeds Keldeo and survives Psychic Gem Metagross's Zen Headbutt + Bullet Punch.

Usage Tips
=============
Against targets OHKOed by Electric Gem-boosted Thunderbolt, use it immediately.

Against most neutral targets like Metagross and Zapdos, it is safe to use Charge and then use Thunderbolt turn 2.

Use Hidden Power Flying after Taunt against SubSeed users, like Shaymin and Serperior.

Besides disarming Slaking, Substitute can fish for misses from various inaccurate attacks, like Terrakion's Stone Edge, and absorb Gem-boosted attacks from the likes of Volcarona.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Toxic
move 1: Toxic
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Protect
move 4: Fly
item: Custap Berry
ability: Prankster
nature: Careful
evs: 248 HP / 32 Atk / 108 Def / 120 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=============
Thundurus may also use a Toxic stall set, which is better versus Ground-types and some physical attackers like Sawk. It uses Prankster, Toxic, and Substitute alongside Protect to rack up as much passive damage as possible. Custap Berry + Fly allows Thundurus to rack up even more Toxic damage and pick off low-health foes.

EVs
=============
The HP and Defense investment allows Thundurus to defeat Ice Punch Sawk, while the HP EVs, Special Defense EVs, and Careful nature allow it to survive Choice Specs or Water Gem Keldeo's Hydro Pump.

Usage Tips
=============
On turn one, it is usually best to use Protect to scout. However, versus Substitute or Calm Mind users like Suicune, Shaymin, Thundurus, and Keldeo, use Toxic.

Alternate between Substitute and Protect to get the most damage out of Toxic.

If Thundurus outspeeds the foe, you do not need the Custap Berry, so use Protect on the turn it activates to gain extra Toxic damage. If Thundurus is slower, use Fly when Custap Berry activates for two turns of invincibility instead of one.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Itchy, 518399]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lumii, 493772]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429]]
 
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gonna focus on Charge + Electric Gem first! The Toxic Stall set will be done later today, just I want to get at least a bit done before I have to get ready in the morning!

:bw/thundurus:
[SET]
name: Charge + Electric Gem
move 1: Charge
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Substitute / Hidden Power Flying / Grass Knot (Lumi being Lumi here ig, but if you're not gonna put specific examples for why you want Substitute, just don't include Substitute. Also, Grass Knot forces Custap Rhyperior to setguess you and straight out beats Band Rhyperior and non CounterCoat Swampert sets, which I tend to like over other things, just has a better mu spread than any other move in the 4th I think)
item: Electric Gem
ability: Prankster
nature: Timid
evs: 8 HP / 144 Def / 124 SpA / 232 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=============
Charge boosts Thunderbolt to insane levels alongside Electric Gem; +2 Electric Gem Thunderbolt is able to OHKO the likes of bulky Zapdos, Metagross (loses to Band Ice Punch and gets Psychic Gem-boosted Zen Headbutt into Bullet Punch is a roll, probs another example may be better here but also this is kinda niche...), and Genesect (loses to Scarf Ice Beam, maybe find a better example here). Thanks to Prankster, Charge also boosts Thundurus's Special Defense, which is helpful versus various special attackers such as Volcarona and Choice Specs Zapdos. Taunt allows Thundurus to shut down various threats like Sableye, Pressure Stall Aerodactyl, and SubSeed Serperior. Substitute buys Thundurus free turns versus various targets. (if you can't find anything specific here, no need to have it. I honestly have no idea why it wants to run Substitute on this set either...) Hidden Power Flying does more damage against some Grass-types like Shaymin and Celebi.

EVs
=============
The given spread outspeeds Keldeo and survives Psychic Gem Metagross's Zen Headbutt + Bullet Punch. (252+ Atk Psychic Gem Metagross Zen Headbutt vs. 8 HP / 144 Def Thundurus: 246-291 (81.7 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO into 252+ Atk Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 8 HP / 144 Def Thundurus: 42-49 (13.9 - 16.2%) -- possible 7HKO, you may want to rework the EVs here.)

Usage Tips
=============
Against targets OHKOed by Electric Gem Thunderbolt, use it immediately.

Against most neutral targets like Metagross and Zapdos, it is safe to use Charge and then use Thunderbolt turn 2. (note that it can still lose to Choice Band Metagross and Psychic Gem Metagross)

Against passive Pokemon like Sableye and Serperior, use Taunt to shut them down.

Substitute has various use cases; it allows Thundurus to immobilize Slaking, fish for misses versus various inaccurate attacks like Terrakion's Stone Edge, make Hyper Beam or Giga Impact users like Porygon-Z, Meloetta, and Ambipom recharge, uses up Gems from the likes of opposing Thundurus, Haxorus, and Volcarona, and blocks Toxic from Chansey and SubTox Thundurus. (if this is why you're using Substitute, mention some use cases in the Sets Description too. Slaking makes sense, Porygon-Z, Meloetta, and Ambipom are 50/50s because they can click Uproar or Return, you're losing to the other common Taunt Thundy set anyway because 252/252 does 90-106 damage and outspeeds you, so even after sub and everything, it gets the kill first. Haxorus does over 75% on a minimum roll even without Dragon Gem. You need to rely on Outrage Confusion turns which is not ideal. And you 3HKO in return with Thunderbolt. You often won't have the time to Charge into Thunderbolt in the matchup. Let's be real, Thundurus isn't beating a Chansey because (124 SpA Electric Gem Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 20 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 129-153 (18.3 - 21.7%) -- possible 5HKO and Chansey Seismic Toss vs. 8 HP Thundurus: 100-100 (33.2 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO, it's always clicking Stoss here if it setguesses. You can't sub against Taunt Thundy because of 252/252 sets, which means the best way to beat Toxic Thundy is just by clicking Taunt!)
 
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Thundurus may also use a Toxic stall set, using Prankster Toxic and Substitute alongside Protect to rack up as much passive damage as possible. Custap Berry + Fly allows Thundurus to increase Toxic damage even further and pick off foes that are low on health.
What does this beat that Electric Gem doesn't, include examples of that in the set description maybe? idk- You probs know what to do here better than me!


The HP and Defense investment allows Thundurus to always defeat offensive Snorlax by using Substitute turn 1. The Special Defense allows Thundurus to survive Water Gem Keldeo's Hydro Pump.
184+ Atk Choice Band Snorlax Return vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Thundurus: 237-279 (65.6 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You end up needing less than 75% damage here, so it's not 100% against Choice Band Snorlax yet, but it's close. Anyways, you probs need to mention that somewhere or fix the EVing. Also, Modest Keldeo exists idk why nobody uses it!! (Modest Keldeo is a thing you very much do not need to account for I am just putting my own bw annoyances into this hehe)


Against Snorlax, use Substitute, then Toxic.
This doesn't work against stall sets cause they just Rest, so probs make this mention offensive. Also this needs to be changed for Choice Band as noted earlier...


Alternate Substitute and Protect to get the maximum amount of damage out of Toxic, or to stall out low PP moves, like Choice Specs Heatran's Overheat.
-6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Overheat vs. 248 HP / 120 SpD Thundurus: 99-117 (27.4 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
it just keeps breaking Substitute, and if Heatran hits everything, doesn't Thundurus just lose to Heatran using Struggle?


Going to ask for another look for this one too!

:sm/stufful:

(have another stufful for extra motivation!!)
 
+2 Electric Gem Thunderbolt is able to OHKO
Okay so does this mean you have to click Charge twice or is this supposed to just say +1 or...

Substitute buys Thundurus free turns versus the likes of Slaking and Volcarona.
Slaking yes, but Volcarona can just take out a Substitute with Bug Buzz after Quiver Dancing, so not really, it's about the same-

The given spread outspeeds Keldeo and survives Psychic Gem Metagross's Zen Headbutt + Bullet Punch.
So a base 79 HP mon with 8 HP EVs gives you 301 HP.

252+ Atk Psychic Gem Metagross Zen Headbutt vs. 8 HP / 252 Def Thundurus: 219-258 (72.7 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (219, 220, 223, 226, 229, 231, 234, 237, 238, 241, 244, 247, 249, 252, 255, 258)
252+ Atk Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 8 HP / 252 Def Thundurus: 36-43 (11.9 - 14.2%) -- possible 7HKO
Possible damage amounts: (36, 36, 37, 38, 38, 39, 39, 39, 39, 40, 41, 41, 42, 42, 42, 43)

so... 258 + 43 = 301... the damage calculator rounding issue is really annoying to things like this, but it's likely better to just always go off the HP number totals to just be sure... I am sorry that I am being so caught up on the EVs though.


In Toxic Stall...
The Special Defense allows Thundurus to survive Water Gem Keldeo's Hydro Pump.
252 SpA Water Gem Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 200 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 352-415 (100.8 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Other than the EVs, there's not too many issues here. The first is literally fixed by putting 4 EVs from SpA (the dump stat) and putting them into HP. The second one is your choice on how you want to deal with it though. Gonna take one final look at it though once you're done before the 1/2.

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one more stufful! you can do it!!
 
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:bw/thundurus:
[SET]
name: Charge + Electric Gem
move 1: Charge
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Hidden Power Flying / Grass Knot / Substitute
item: Electric Gem
ability: Prankster
nature: Timid
evs: 12 HP / 252 Def / 12 SpA / 232 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=============
Charge boosts Thunderbolt to insane levels alongside Electric Gem; Charged + Electric Gem Thunderbolt is able to OHKO the likes of bulky Zapdos, non-Choice Band Metagross, and non-Choice Scarf Genesect. Thanks to Prankster, Charge also boosts Thundurus's Special Defense, which is helpful versus various special attackers such as Volcarona and Choice Specs Zapdos. Taunt allows Thundurus to shut down various threats like Sableye, Pressure Stall Aerodactyl, and SubSeed Serperior. Hidden Power Flying does more damage against some Grass-types like Shaymin and Celebi, Grass Knot helps versus Rhyperior and Swampert, and Substitute buys Thundurus free turns versus the likes of Slaking.

EVs
=============
The given spread outspeeds Keldeo and survives Psychic Gem Metagross's Zen Headbutt + Bullet Punch.

Usage Tips
=============
Against targets OHKOed by Electric Gem Thunderbolt, use it immediately.

Against most neutral targets like Metagross and Zapdos, it is safe to use Charge and then use Thunderbolt turn 2.

Against passive Pokemon like Sableye and Serperior, use Taunt to shut them down.

Use Hidden Power Flying after Taunt against SubSeed users, like Shaymin and Serperior.

Substitute has various use cases; it allows Thundurus to immobilize Slaking, fish for misses versus various inaccurate attacks like Terrakion's Stone Edge, and uses up Gems from the likes of Volcarona.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Toxic
move 1: Toxic
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Protect
move 4: Fly
item: Custap Berry
ability: Prankster
nature: Careful
evs: 248 HP / 32 Atk / 108 Def / 120 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=============
Thundurus may also use a Toxic stall set, which is better versus Ground-types. It uses Prankster Toxic and Substitute alongside Protect to rack up as much passive damage as possible. Custap Berry + Fly allows Thundurus to increase Toxic damage even further and pick off foes that are low on health.

EVs
=============
The HP and Defense investment allows Thundurus to defeat Ice Punch Sawk, while the HP + and (probably keeping the parallel structure you have with "HP and Defense" earlier in this sentence will be nice) Special Defense investment and the Careful nature allow to Keldeo to survive Modest (it survives any Keldeo's Hydro Pump, so one word more concise) Choice Specs Keldeo's Hydro Pump.

Usage Tips
=============
On turn one, it is usually best to use Protect to scout. However, versus Substitute users like Suicune, Shaymin, and Celebi, use Toxic.

Alternate Substitute and Protect to get the maximum amount of damage out of Toxic.

If you are faster than the opponent, you do not need the Custap Berry, so when you are in range of its activation, use Protect to gain extra Toxic damage. If you are slower, use the Custap Berry's activation to avoid being taken down.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Itchy, 518399]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lumii, 493772], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]


small edits, 1/2, the GPers may yell at you for some of the sentences in the usage tips being not complete sentences though due to some of them just being dependent clauses without independent clauses attached, so if you want to fix some of those, go ahead, but this can wait until GP!

Great job with this one, was being a bit harsh with the EVs throughout, sorry!! Thundy is usually a pain to EV, but great job doing it!
 
On turn one, it is usually best to use Protect to scout. However, versus Substitute users like Suicune, Shaymin, and Celebi, use Toxic.
Honestly, probs mention opposing Thundurus instead of Celebi...

Honestly, at this point, with how dead the QC team is, I'm wondering if we can just QC 1/1 this...

yeah actually talked to you in dms, 1/1 should be fine here...
 
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[SET]
name: Charge + Electric Gem
move 1: Charge
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Hidden Power Flying / Grass Knot / Substitute
item: Electric Gem
ability: Prankster
nature: Timid
evs: 12 HP / 252 Def / 12 SpA / 232 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=============
Charge boosts Thunderbolt to insane levels alongside Electric Gem; Charged Electric Gem Thunderbolt is able to and Electric Gem boost Thunderbolt to insane levels, letting it OHKO the likes of bulky Zapdos, non-Choice Band Metagross, and non-Choice Scarf Genesect. Thanks to Prankster, Charge also boosts Thundurus's Special Defense, which is helpful versus various special attackers such as Volcarona and Choice Specs Zapdos, and Prankster lets it boost before faster special attackers move. (I imagine this makes sense. maybe give an example?) Taunt allows Thundurus to shut down various passive (I imagine this works?) threats like Sableye, Pressure Stall Aerodactyl, and SubSeed Serperior. Hidden Power Flying does more damage against some Grass-types like Shaymin and Celebi, Grass Knot helps versus Rhyperior and Swampert, and Substitute buys Thundurus free turns versus the likes of Slaking.

EVs
=============
The given EV spread outspeeds Keldeo and survives Psychic Gem Metagross's Zen Headbutt + Bullet Punch.

Usage Tips
=============
Against targets OHKOed by Electric Gem-boosted Thunderbolt, use it immediately.

Against most neutral targets like Metagross and Zapdos, it is safe to use Charge and then use Thunderbolt turn 2.

Against passive Pokemon like Sableye and Serperior, use Taunt to shut them down.

Use Hidden Power Flying after Taunt against SubSeed users, like Shaymin and Serperior.

Substitute has various use cases; it allows Thundurus to immobilize Slaking, fish for misses versus various inaccurate attacks like Terrakion's Stone Edge, and uses up Gems Besides disarming Slaking, Substitute can fish for misses from various inaccurate attacks, like Terrakion's Stone Edge, and absorb Gem-boosted attacks from the likes of Volcarona.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Toxic
move 1: Toxic
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Protect
move 4: Fly
item: Custap Berry
ability: Prankster
nature: Careful
evs: 248 HP / 32 Atk / 108 Def / 120 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=============
Thundurus may also use a Toxic stall set, which is better versus Ground-types. It uses Prankster, (AC) Toxic, (AC) and Substitute alongside Protect to rack up as much passive damage as possible. Custap Berry + Fly allows Thundurus to increase Toxic damage even further rack up even more Toxic damage and pick off foes that are low on health. low-health foes. (optional)

EVs
=============
The HP and Defense investment allows Thundurus to defeat Ice Punch Sawk, while the HP and Special Defense investment and the Careful nature allow to Keldeo HP EVs, Special Defense EVs, and Careful nature allow it to survive Choice Specs Keldeo's Hydro Pump.

Usage Tips
=============
On turn one, it is usually best to use Protect to scout. However, versus Substitute users like Suicune, Shaymin, and Thundurus, use Toxic.

Alternate between Substitute and Protect to get the maximum amount of most damage out of Toxic.

If you are faster than Thundurus outspeeds the opponent, foe, you do not need to utilize the Custap Berry, so when you are in range of its activation, use Protect on the turn it activates to gain extra Toxic damage. If you are slower, use the Custap Berry's activation Thundurus is slower, use Fly when Custap Berry activates (I imagine?) to avoid being taken down for two turns, instead of one. (I imagine?)

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Itchy, 518399]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lumii, 493772]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429]]
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