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Resource BW Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread
- Thread starter Finchinator
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Even without sleep Darkrai would be miserable to face. Psy spam teams can overwhelm Chople Tyranitar even more easily considering it would force it in lest you let it get a free KO. Here's some calcs to show what I mean
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Politoed: 268-316 (69.7 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 172 SpD Chople Berry Tyranitar in Sand: 304-358 (75.4 - 88.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 236 HP / 212+ SpD Breloom: 277-326 (86.5 - 101.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn: 362-426 (102.8 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I could keep listing calculations but... yeah, this is also isn't even considering spikes or life orb. Darkrai would tear ass in BW OU.
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Politoed: 268-316 (69.7 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 172 SpD Chople Berry Tyranitar in Sand: 304-358 (75.4 - 88.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 236 HP / 212+ SpD Breloom: 277-326 (86.5 - 101.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn: 362-426 (102.8 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I could keep listing calculations but... yeah, this is also isn't even considering spikes or life orb. Darkrai would tear ass in BW OU.
Btw with Life Orb you have ~80% chance to OHKO chople ttar WITHOUT rocks. This is just silly.
Darkrai’s only true answers are Focus Blast missing and priority. It would not be fit in the metagame.
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"Because... Scald is a shit Ferro answer!!!"
Why is this even allowed in the Q&A section?
Finch edit: I told him explicitly to post elsewhere, but he didn’t listen and by the time I got online numerous people had posted about it so now it’s kinda whatever
Finch edit: I told him explicitly to post elsewhere, but he didn’t listen and by the time I got online numerous people had posted about it so now it’s kinda whatever
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I don't think Darkrai would be broken, there are enough Fighting types in this Meta that can switch into it. He also relies on moves with low Accuracy to beat some of the checks and is not very bulky, so misses do punish him. There is 4 move slots syndrome too, he wants to run HP Fire for Scizor, Thunder for Keldeo, Focus Blast for Tar and most Steels, etc.
That being said, I still don't support this Mon being tested. It's another Mon with high Stats, wide movepool and 47257 viable sets that is hard to cover. We already have Latios, Terrakion, Keldeo, Zam, Mamoswine, Volcarona, all the Rain Mons, etc. Mons difficult to cover and requiring dedicated checks, especially when combined with Hazards. Darkrai might not (for me) be better than all of them, but it ends up being one more big threat for which you have to prepare. And he wouldn't even make the above Mons worse or less common, even Latios. So, in practice, Darkrai would make the meta even more offensive that it is now and building/covering the various offensive threats even harder than it already is. It's not Gen 8/9 Zamazenta, who would prey on offense while being offensive Mon itself, it's a Mon that makes already dominating Playstyle even better, so I can't support it being freed without some Bans of currently legal threats (which are not happening).
That being said, I still don't support this Mon being tested. It's another Mon with high Stats, wide movepool and 47257 viable sets that is hard to cover. We already have Latios, Terrakion, Keldeo, Zam, Mamoswine, Volcarona, all the Rain Mons, etc. Mons difficult to cover and requiring dedicated checks, especially when combined with Hazards. Darkrai might not (for me) be better than all of them, but it ends up being one more big threat for which you have to prepare. And he wouldn't even make the above Mons worse or less common, even Latios. So, in practice, Darkrai would make the meta even more offensive that it is now and building/covering the various offensive threats even harder than it already is. It's not Gen 8/9 Zamazenta, who would prey on offense while being offensive Mon itself, it's a Mon that makes already dominating Playstyle even better, so I can't support it being freed without some Bans of currently legal threats (which are not happening).
Darkrai learns Psychic for Fighters, which is 100% accurate. A simple set of NP, Dark Pulse, Focus Blast, and Psychic covers pretty much everything besides the chance Focus Blast misses.
Agree with your conclusion in the second paragraph ofc, but the only inaccurate move it would ever really use is Focus p much.
mainly cuz I ain’t know where else to post it B)
Ngl I’d appreciate you lost some more, bc breloom and ttar ain’t good examples
252 Atk Choice Band Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darkrai: 320-380 (113.8 - 135.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO with priority
88+ Atk Tyranitar Superpower vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Darkrai: 286-338 (101.4 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
politoed admittedly doesn’t have an answer, but ferro is silly. You don’t bring in ferro against something that can blast you with a fighting move. Switch to smth that can take it.
Also addressing this specifically, yeah psy spam can overwhelm chople ttar, but darkrai would really put a damper on psy Spam.
252 SpA Choice Specs Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 462-546 (108.9 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (calm mind set, focus blast from Reuni is a 2HKO at +0)
darkrai dark pulse is a guaranteed 2hko on sashed zam and a OHKO on any other item
I fully agree. Darkrai was banned for a reason, it’s clearly a really solid beat stick. However, maybe not having sleep makes it juuust balanced enough of a beat stick to be unbanned. Let’s test this hoe!
Volcorona gets a 3HKO’d by FB and OHKO’s with bug buzz, and gastrodon rains on darkrai’s parade in general. There’s far more true answers than just FB missing.
I think Manaphy and Darkrai are seen as mythicals in the eyes of Nintendo. Not sure if you want a technicality but technically they ain’t legendaries.
Volcarona loses if it switches in and Gastrodon loses 1v1 to Nasty Plot. This is a silly hypothetical and it’s not really worth the time, but none of this is true.
If you wanna split hairs abt Gastro losing to nasty plot then
252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Quagsire: 127-150 (32.2 - 38%) -- 1.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Quagsire Focus Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Darkrai: 206-244 (73 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Quagsire hurts like hell and can set up curses on Darkrai
The opposing Quagsire is tightening its focus!
Darkrai used Dark Pulse!
(The opposing Quagsire lost 78% of its health!)
Darkrai lost some of its HP!
The opposing Quagsire lost its focus and couldn't move!
I noticed that Dragonite was 5th in the combined usage stats from July-December for high ranking battles in the BW OU ladder:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...istics-discussion-thread.3711767/post-9465722
Additionally, it's 1st in usage for the month of December. This surprised me because I've always thought of Dnite as something that rarely makes appearances outside of DragMag HO teams. Is this high usage at all indicative of Dnite becoming more popular/viable in the current BW meta? Or is it just reflective of some dudes on high ladder who really like Dnite
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...istics-discussion-thread.3711767/post-9465722
Additionally, it's 1st in usage for the month of December. This surprised me because I've always thought of Dnite as something that rarely makes appearances outside of DragMag HO teams. Is this high usage at all indicative of Dnite becoming more popular/viable in the current BW meta? Or is it just reflective of some dudes on high ladder who really like Dnite
Dnite anchors any kind of HO extremely well because of it's priority, resistances, and ability. It's also pretty good on some weather builds, although more niche.
HO is extremely popular on ladder cause it’s easy to pilot and can lead to quick wins. Like Monai mentioned it anchors a lot of teams so it’s usage is more reflective of how popular HO is on ladder
https://pokepast.es/fa3147645525de98 -- still usable and can opt for Pursuit Scizor, different Volcarona coverage, new EVs, different Breloom item, etc.
Breloom @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Low Sweep
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 64 HP / 192 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
Volcarona @ Passho Berry
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 72 Def / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Bug Buzz
- Giga Drain
Starmie @ Air Balloon
Ability: Analytic
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 200 SpA / 56 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Thunder
- Rapid Spin
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Fire Punch
- Extreme Speed
Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Superpower
- Pursuit
Ability: Technician
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Low Sweep
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 64 HP / 192 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
Volcarona @ Passho Berry
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 72 Def / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Bug Buzz
- Giga Drain
Starmie @ Air Balloon
Ability: Analytic
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 200 SpA / 56 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Thunder
- Rapid Spin
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Fire Punch
- Extreme Speed
Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Superpower
- Pursuit
Hi guys,
I just started to play gen5 and noted it have a several numbers of bans!!
The most fun part of Gen 5 is to have pokemons on OU who have Drizzle and Drought and I can't use it together with Swift Swin or Clorophyl. And I would like to ask why is it banned? That will be banned forever?
Another ban who annoying me is the sleep ban, on other tiers we can put at least on pokémon to sleep, why gen5 was totally banned sleep? It isn't as gen 1 when it takes one full turn to wake up. And even in gen1 sleep isn't totally baned. Why it is banned on gen5?
I just started to play gen5 and noted it have a several numbers of bans!!
The most fun part of Gen 5 is to have pokemons on OU who have Drizzle and Drought and I can't use it together with Swift Swin or Clorophyl. And I would like to ask why is it banned? That will be banned forever?
Another ban who annoying me is the sleep ban, on other tiers we can put at least on pokémon to sleep, why gen5 was totally banned sleep? It isn't as gen 1 when it takes one full turn to wake up. And even in gen1 sleep isn't totally baned. Why it is banned on gen5?
Yes, the combination is not seen as balanced. It was a controversial ban long ago, but there is no intention to compromise the metagame for the sake of freeing something so lethal.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...es-remain-banned-sleep-clause-lifted.3662023/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...p-clause-lifted-post-40.3657777/#post-8313531
see these threads -- sleep was not particularly competitive in the format, so it got removed.
And this bans will be forever?
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I have insuficient privilegy to coment in theses threads.
There is no intent to change these; they have both been in place for numerous years without any opposition from people who actually play the metagames.