Resource BDSP OU Role Compendium

[Vengeance417]

Add Donphan to Rapid Spin, Knock Off, and Ice Shard.

 

[Zé Capáu]

Any worth adding Quiver Dance Setup Sweepers? (because that Gen5 nightmare fuel called Venomoth is back, and has no Volcarona outclassing it)

 

[StellaAthena]

Any worth adding Quiver Dance Setup Sweepers? (because that Gen5 nightmare fuel called Venomoth is back, and has no Volcarona outclassing it)

Venomoth can pretend to fill this role, but it’s extremely frail and has poor coverage (Psychic +Giga Drain are basically it). It’s hard to see any of the pokemon who currently have QD being viable set-up sweepers in OU

 

[donttrustlando]

Venomoth can pretend to fill this role, but it’s extremely frail and has poor coverage (Psychic +Giga Drain are basically it). It’s hard to see any of the pokemon who currently have QD being viable set-up sweepers in OU

coverage doesn't really matter when u have tinted lens tho, +1 life orb bug buzz can clean late game pretty effectively. considering the prevalence of heatran and blissey it's definitely not a top tier sweeper, but it's not bad by any means

 

[Edej]

Whats the differnece between Wallbreakers and Choice Item Users? :D

 

[Katy]

Whats the differnece between Wallbreakers and Choice Item Users? :D

A wallbreaker is usually something which can break through walls with Sheer Power, like Choice Specs Latios or Choice Band Infernape. They have the necessary coverage and high Base Power moves to break through walls rather easily. A Choice Item user can also be Choice Scarf users, to add Speed Control to a team, when the team doesn't have any other form of maintaining their own tempo in the battlefield and a speed control is necessary to add here. But Choice Item users (mostly Band and Specs) can add a wallbreaking potential to a Pokemon as well.

The difference here actually is mostly Choice Scarf users, which are more seen as a forme of speed rather than breaking a wall. Wallbreakers can have the aforementioned Band / Specs.

Some wallbreakers doesn't wear a Choice Item however. Life Orb and other Items in this category can help a Pokemon to break walls efficiently. So a wallbreaker can be equipped rather effectively, eitehr with a Band, Specs, or Life Orb.

But mostly the difference is, when a Pokemon holds a Scarf, as a Band or Specs user can easily be a wallbreaker too. a Scarfer however adds necessary speed onto your team.

Hopefully this helped :)

 

[RedDiamond1024]

Two things I noticed are that feraligatr isn't in the aqua jet area, which I feel it should if its gonna go sd (also just found out that dnite gets aqua jet). Also, if magmortar is in the special wall breaker, I feel electivire could go in the physical wall breakers section, though I understand if I'm wrong about that.

 

[rattlesnakeacrobat]

i noticed that gardevoir is listed under trick/switcheroo utility, but gardevoir doesn't get trick or switcheroo this gen, unless i'm missing something.

 

[RedDiamond1024]

i noticed that gardevoir is listed under trick/switcheroo utility, but gardevoir doesn't get trick or switcheroo this gen, unless i'm missing something.

Your right lol, give manectric his rightful spot there instead

 

[Jeong]

I don't know if it is very viable but Kecleon can be considered as a TR user. It does not have a great speed so it is a good support. It has good SpD and a somewhat decent SpA + Protean. Quiet/Modest.

 

[Xilefi]

Hey smogon fellows, watching the compendium I have come up with some relevant additions that come to my mind !

A screens setter section

I have not seen any Screen setters section where does belong multiple pokemons in the tier :

Azelf,

Latias,

Espeon,

Rotom-Wash,

Mew (where does mew not belong ?!),

Jirachi,

Xatu.

Evasion abilities and Manaphy have been banned from OU.

For what it matters, Evasion abilities and

Manaphy have been banned from OU. Sand Veil, Snow Cloak and Tail Glow Sections are irrelevant and

Manaphy should be removed from the Calm Mind user Section.

Espeon has magic bounce.

Espeon has magic bouce and should be added to the section hazard control.

A Sleep moves user section

A Sleep moves user section may be relevant with

Breloom,

Roserade,

Tangrowth.

Additions to the Nasty Plot section

Rotom-Wash,

Rotom-Mow and

Togekiss have proven being good users of Nasty Plot.

Zapdos isn't that bad

Zapdos is a decent Defog user and Defensive pivot.

Togekiss has other applications.

Togekiss is a decent Defog and Choice Scarf user.

Salamence has many viable usages.

Salamence is a decent Choice Scarf user and a decent mixed Wall Breaker, and a decent DD Setup Sweeper.

Donphan is very relevant.

Add Donphan to Rapid Spin, Knock Off, and Ice Shard.

All of these is still very relevant.

Donphan also a very relevant Stealth Rock user.

Heatran is a good wall

Heatran can be a relevant physical or special wall.

A return of a rain section ?

I might say than Manual Rain is usable despite its huge nerf and a Rain section might still have some little relevance.

Here is all I can think about right now for this compendium ! Great stuff overall and thanks !

 

[Jeong]

• Stealth Rock -> nape, ttar.
• CB -> Weavile?
• Mixed Wallbreakers -> nite, Crawdaunt LO Sludge?
• Special Walls -> lax.
• Sand Veil -> Cacturne.

 

[Lalaya]

Hi! Just wanted to notify I took over the resource, and I will be the one updating it from now on (speaking of which: I just did, and there will be another update when we'll update the Viability Rankings too!)
Huge thanks to Kris for the original thread!

 

[Xilefi]

Thank you Lalaya for the great update and thank you Kris for the great work !

Should people know that SpDef Gardevoir is viable

Milotic is good as a physdef wall ? Maybe we should keep it secret Eve

 

[igiveuponaname]

Celebi has been available since late May but still hasn't been added to the role compendium, so I think it's long overdue someone made these suggestions.

Utility -> Stealth Rocks, Heal Bell, Healing Wish

Offensive -> Choice Scarf User, Nasty Plot Sweeper

Defensive -> Defensive Pivot

Maybe I missed one or two spots but these definitely feel like the most noteworthy additions.

Oh and Gardevoir doesn't get Trick or Switcheroo, it should be removed from that section.

 

[igiveuponaname]

Compendium update let's go

Heatran isn't listed under taunt

Maybe clarify that Gastrodon uses Clear Smog under hazing section? The move functions differently enough from haze to at least be worth noting (not affected by taunt/can't hit steel types/doesn't reset stats of mons behind substitute)

Is focus energy counted as a setup option? It would only apply to kingdra but that's like half its shtick so maybe add a small section for that? Idk

Keep up the good work

 

[Xilefi]

Compendium update let's go

Heatran isn't listed under taunt

Maybe clarify that Gastrodon uses Clear Smog under hazing section? The move functions differently enough from haze to at least be worth noting (not affected by taunt/can't hit steel types/doesn't reset stats of mons behind substitute)

Is focus energy counted as a setup option? It would only apply to kingdra but that's like half its shtick so maybe add a small section for that? Idk

Keep up the good work

Thanks!

Heatran is definitely a miss. Good idea for Clear Smog. For Focus Energy, I wonder. Probably, dual setters are kinda weird to put in a category but it is probably worth mentioning.