BH Balanced Hackmons Old Gens Hub

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Balanced Hackmons Old Gens Hub
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Welcome to BH Old Gens hub! This post aims to provide information, resources, and sample teams for older generations of BH (1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), and posts for each will contain VRs, samples, and mechanics about that generation. The thread can be used to discuss sample teams and VR rankings for each. The previous thread can be found here.

 

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SS Balanced Hackmons​

Important mechanical differences between Gen 9 and Gen 8:

• Moves and Pokemon missing from SV are usable in SS.

Relevant usable mons and moves

Ho-Oh, Sacred Fire
Lugia
Registeel
Doom Desire
Regigigas
Darmanitan
Ferrothorn
Reshiram, Blue Flare
Zekrom, Bolt Strike
Kyurem-White, Kyurem-Black
Topsy-Turvy
Xerneas
Yveltal, Oblivion Wing
Zygarde-Complete, Thousand Waves, Thousand Arrows, Core Enforcer
Tapu Fini
Solgaleo, Sunsteel Strike
Lunala, Moongeist Beam
Pheromosa
Kartana
Celesteela
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Photon Geyser
Marshadow, Spectral Thief
Blacephalon
Melmetal
Fishious Rend

• Zacian, Zacian-C, Zamazenta, Zamazenta-C, and Cresselia all have higher BST in Gen 8 (Zacian-C and Rusted Sword are Banned).
• Wicked Blow, Glacial Lance, and Grassy Glide have higher BP.
• Intrepid Sword and Dauntless Shield activate every time the user switches in.
• Protean/Libero activate without limit (Banned).
• Battle Bond has its old effects of transforming Greninja into Ash Greninja, however since Greninja isn't in SS, it does nothing.
• Recover, Soft-Boiled, Milk Drink, Slack Off, Roost, and Rest all have 16 PP.
• Hail is used instead of Snow, which deals 6.25% damage to all non-Ice-types at the end of every turn and doesn't buff the Defense of Ice types.

Banlist

Pokemon

• Calyrex-Shadow
• Cramorant-Gorging
• Darmanitan-Galar-Zen
• Eternatus-Eternamax
• Shedinja
• Zacian-Crowned

Moves

• OHKO Moves
• Double Iron Bash
• Octolock
• Shell Smash
• Bolt Beak
• Court Change
• Belly Drum
• Transform

Abilities

• Wonder Guard
• Pure / Huge Power
• Parental Bond
• Protean / Libero
• Shadow Tag / Arena Trap
• Moody
• Water Bubble
• Innards Out
• Magnet Pull
• Stakeout
• Illusion
• Contrary
• Neutralizing Gas
• Gorilla Tactics
• Intrepid Sword

Viability Rankings

S Rank
Xerneas

A Rank
A+
Eternatus
Imposter
Regigigas

A
Ho-oh
Zamazenta-Crowned

A-
Giratina
Groudon
Lunala
Zygarde-Complete

B Rank
B+
Palkia
Tapu Fini
Celesteela

B
Kyurem-Black
Dialga
Kartana
Kyogre
Magearna
Yveltal
Zekrom
Giratina-Origin
Zacian
Spectrier

B-
Solgaleo
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Blacephalon
Calyrex-Ice
Barraskewda
Melmetal

C Rank
Cresselia
Darmanitan-Zen
Ferrothorn
Golisopod
Registeel
Dragapult
Heatran
Lugia
Mewtwo
Snorlax
Type Null:

D Rank
Landorus-Therian
Pheromosa
Suicune
Chansey
Doublade
Dusclops
Garchomp
Kyurem-White
Regieleki
Marshadow
Swampert
Thundurus-Therian
Umbreon
Victini
Zamazenta
Zeraora
Nihilego

Sample Teams

Searing Assault by Tea Guzzler
[Offense - Shift Gear Ho-Oh + Psycho Shift Regigigas]

Team Notes

How to use: Most games you're going for the Ho-Oh sweep, making use of V-create's absurd damage output. Games where there's no wall you can usually just sweep through, otherwise you're using Regigigas' Blades and Psycho Shift to help get Ho-Oh through. Zama, Melm and Zyg are fatmons you're mostly using for momentum, Xern keeps hazards off whilst binning opposing Ho-Oh and spamming Plate Boomburst. Paralyze FC Lunala and Toxic FC Fires/Waters, use Zygarde as the knock sponge in matchups where you need to Psycho for Ho-Oh to not be walled.

Other options:

• Because it's so fat, you can opt to run Entrainment so you can trap and eliminate PHealers, including Blades Gigas.
• Diamond Storm hits Desolate Land Ho-Oh, however misses out on misc targets + your own Ho-Oh can't emergency Improof anymore.
• No Ghost-type on the team, so you can swap this with Giratina if you're overly concerned about trapping.

Weaknesses:

• Imp can use the 2 Sap mons as relatively safe recovery (more Ho-Oh than Xern), so counterplay mostly comes down to creating a situation where it is forced to lose it's Eviolite in order to sap Zama-C.
• See the above trapping issue
• Prank Giratina can starve Glance of PP, so will usually require poisoning before attempting to force Ho-Oh through.

I also made a rate-my-team on this so you can look there for more detail.

Nuclear Fusion (Hard Mode) by cityscapes
[Bulky Offense - Dual Screens + Flare Boost Eternatus]

Team Notes

• How to use: Trick Celesteela's scarf as early as you can, especially against very offensive teams. Identify if Xerneas and/or Entei can keep hazards up on the opposing side, and use a mixture of Imposter, double switches, and pivoting with Celesteela to keep pressure. Eternatus will almost never have counters. Set it up against anything that can't pivot out. Opposing Imposter on Eternatus is a pain but Celesteela, Chansey, and Regigigas can keep it in check depending on the situation.
• Weaknesses: Very offensive teams can be tricky to play against; you have good measures in Extreme Speed Xerneas + Regigigas + Imposter but these are purely passive and you still need to find openings in order to actually win. Xerneas Extreme Speed is a 68.8% roll to OHKO Dragapult so you can run into some trouble there. If Celesteela gets Assault Vest you can't remove hazards, so you need to speed up your gameplan.

Dual Screens BO by XxLazzerpenguinxX
[Bulky Offense - Swords Dance Groudon + Tough Claws Zaamzenta-C]

Team Notes

The team revolves around spreading paralyses with SD Groudon, and breaking through things it might normally have trouble with, such as fc lunala with Tough Claws Zama-C. Groudon's bulk is quite mediocre so it has trouble setting up at times. Behind screens however, it becomes very difficult to deter. Yveltal is necessary here, because the team can struggle on the physical side vs. desolate land ho-oh, so it is able to be a complimentary offensive pokemon here.

Weakness: Simple plot eternatus can really run through this team since Kyogre can't do much back, and heatran gets blown away by +2/+4 earth power. Also, last mon pheal xerneas can be a real pain, especially if it has strength sap, since the only way to beat it is via sunsteel strike from Zamazenta-C. Groudon might be able to deal with it, by clicking SD behind screens though.

Criminal Enterprises by Tea Guzzler
[Balance - Aerilate Yveltal + Pixilate Xerneas + Utility Regigigas]

Team Notes

How to use: Regigigas is your main progress maker - it either threatens raw damage or to cripple the target with Knock / Spikes. Pivot spam across the team gives you ample chances to crack the Toxic Orb or get Xerneas/Yveltal in safely to cause havoc, as well as limiting how often you're on the back foot. Zygarde-C sponges most physical threats and provides valuable Bounce support, and when combined with Melmetal can help limit the majority of the physical tier. Your main goal is to get Spikes up and then start slamming Xerneas as much as possible, playing the long game to force enough chip if necessary. Chansey improofs Yveltal and Xerneas (preferably use Melmetal for Xern, but Chansey does work), Zygarde improofs Regigigas and itself, Melmetal improofs Itself.

Other options:

• Nuzzle is still fully improofed, so if you want you can swap it for Knock. Neither's significantly better than the other.
• Opposing Yveltal aren't usually a massive issue, but if you're still paranoid, go Haze. You can also run Glare over Entrain since you're already fine against Normpult.
• Knock over Volt Switch is an option to cut off items, however I personally prefer Volt Switch's momentum.

Weaknesses:

• Doesn't come in easily, however you need to play really careful with Melmetal against it as this is your only real switch-in.
• Relying on Melmetal as a Steel-type means Blue Flare users are problematic. Reshiram and Adapt Eternatus are particular problems.
• Glacial Lance users with Fire-type coverage are real rough, so you need to limit the chances these get as much as possible.

Typical of Me by XxLazzerpenguinxX
[Balance - Double Poison Heal + RegenVest Zygarde-C]

Team Notes

Balance team, revolving on eventually breaking with Regigigas. Xerneas is able to pivot around most teams, and burn anchor shot trapping users. Zamazenta-C and Zygarde-C form a nice hazard controlling core. Dusclops covers for both of Zama-C's and Zygarde-C's weakness and is able to knock off valuable items at the start of a game.

Weakness: The team isn't weak to a lot. It mainly struggles vs. toxic orb imposter.

Telemarket Scammers by Career Ended
[Semi-Stall - Regenerator Eternatus + Poison Heal Xerneas]

Team Notes

How to use: This team revolves around scouting and gathering information early on using strong tools like Imposter and the Regen Volt-Turn Core of Melmetal and Eternatus to determine your opponents win paths early and prevent them, while supporting setup Poison Heal Xerneas as a dangerous Mid-Late game threat. Prankster Copycat Ho-oh and Trick Black Sludge provide incredible Utility to take on opposing Threats as Trick Black sludge can be used to basically nullify Poison Heal Pokemon's biggest asset and put them on a timer so they can be dealt with easier and Prankster Ho-oh has the great volt turn capabilities paired with the Slow U-turns and Volt switches provided by the Regen pokemon. Prankster Ho-oh also offering prankster haze is very strong setup counterplay, especially when paired with Nuzzle / Glare Lunala and Imposter. Brave Prankster V-Create also has the great benefit of always 2HKOing both Regigigas and Xerneas after Poison Heal Recovery. Lunala acts as a final glue as the dedicated Regigigas Check (Watch out for Wicked Blow) and providing the team with a Fur Coat blanket check for physical attackers and it clicks the para button. Good Luck Scamming the opps!

Other options:

• Different moves work on PH Xerneas. I think MB, QD, Rapid spin and Tcage is the most effective variant, since it takes some pressure off of melmetal in hazard stack matchups, being able to spin on most lunala and giratinas. Zap Cannon + Magma Storm is a much more aggressive win condition with caveat of having to hit your inaccurate moves. Finally lava plume also works in lieu of rapid spin if you're not frightened of facing spin blocking hazard stack teams
• the item is mostly up to preference, helmet is nice to punish uturn, boots is good if you're running a xern set lacking spin and wanna take on spikes regis better, leftovers is always good. I prefer glare on this team usually, since para'ing the bulky ground types like groudon and zygc helps literally everything else on the team muscle through them, but nuzzle is also fine. Just be careful of Magic Bounce grounds
• The imposter set should be run to improof the xern in case of toxic orb imposter. so for example if you're running the zap cannon set you should run jungle healing on chansey. otherwise topsy teleport healing + utility so either trapping / nuzzle / knock / aroma.
• can be made +spdef to help with the triage matchup, running leftovers over boots also works (provided your double spin to not get completely bricked by hazard stack)
• I've run Core enforcer over spin or spectral to help vs regigigas, but i heavily prefer the 4 moves in the paste.

Weaknesses:

• the right Regigigas set will walk over any team in BH and this team's particular weakness is Nuzzle + SD + Wicked Blow, as it can nuzzle Imposter and Etern and Simply OHKO Lunala after some Chip and an SD. Another Dangerous set is DD + Wicked Blow + Precipice Blades. Typically opponents will bring in Regi on Ho-oh and you can trade 60% for the first V-create and if they're unaware of the set maybe you can 2HKO them. Definitely scouting the Regigigas early is beneficial and you can decide the best course of action. Another good way to deal with them is to Trick your Black Sludge onto the Regi hopefully while not taking a nuzzle or a boosted glance / pblades.
• Triage can be problematic. Typically Imposter Is very strong vs it, harding to melm on suspected triage is and paralyzing it will usually mean imposter can beat it. Ho-oh can also stall Owings from Yveltal specifically (not rayquaza) but Tcage will destroy it. Fire +Elec + Owing coverage is hard to play around so just be aware.
• Hazard spam teams can be problematic depending on the team makeup, but certain builds with Entrainment Regen Lunala can really be a difficult match. The team doesn't have a knock user so teams that stack HDB can endure long games but mostly once you've revealed trick with etern you can spam trick to hopefully take away their boots and give it to something like their life orb magic guard or their imp.
• The Fish can be difficult if they have something to bring it in on xern, but everything else can do something to do it if the fish gets in on them. Imp is fat, Ho-oh can prankster copycat (hopefully a volt switch 252 SpA Ho-Oh Volt Switch vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Barraskewda: 162-192 (49.6 - 58.8%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO) melm can nuzzle then you can go hard etern. Etern will be 2hkod if the fish is faster however.
• can be difficult to play around, Trick from etern is really good way to deal with it, but if u can also hope to glare it with lunala. Sometimes though the pult will get in on imp or xern or melm and you might need to sack a pokemon.

End of The World 2.0 by TTTech
[Stall - Double Poison Heal + Toxic Orb Imposter]

Team Notes

Team Description:
Similar gameplan to the original EoTW, it's stall designed to beat other stall and common cores but to a more advanced degree. Tina and Fini are the hazard setters and status mons. Ho oh is the Tina and Fini improof while handling most xern sets unless it has coverage. Null is just a really good all rounder for the team by getting off items and keeping physical walls in check. Imposter does imposter things, but beats/takes advantage of ph mons like regi, xern, and others. Registeel is the prank mon of the team keeping etern, xern, and set up sweepers in check with haze and topsy for both scenarios where either or would work or be better.

Weakness:
Same weaknesses as the original being blac, etern, coverage gigas (if both registeel and tina are low), bounce ho oh (or offensive shift gear with lance), triage yvel, taunt (sometimes, not a big deal though tbh), tends to lose to parahax if you get really unlucky on ho oh or null, and losing to timer because you're doing other things.

Older Teams

End of Another World by Nihilslave
[Hyper Offense - Simple Spectrier + Tough Claws Yveltal + Swords Dance Regigigas]


Path of Peril and Pain by astralydia
[Offense - Pixilate Zacian + Magic Guard Ho-oh + Poison Heal Xerneas]


The French Dispatch by XxSevagxX
[Offense - Regenerator Calyrex-Ice + Dragon's Maw Eternats + Poison Heal Regigigas]


Empty Shells by cityscapes
[Balance - Aerilate Celesteela + Pixilate Xerneas + Eviolite Imposter]


Foraging for Truffles by Lunatic Hai
[Balance - Adapt Eternatus + Poison Heal Regigigas]


Critical Wounds by Tea Guzzler
[Balance - Aerilate Rayquaza + Adaptability Palkia + Ice Scales Groudon]


Shock Driving by quojova
[Balance - Triage Celesteela + Pixilate Xerneas + Poison Heal Regigigas]


Umb Stall by SlightlyAngryKevin
[Stall - Poison Heal Umbreon + Poison Heal Tapu Fini + Regenerator Eternatus]


End of the World by TTTech
[Stall - Imposter Chansey + Imposter Blissey + Magic Bounce Giratina]

Links

Gen 8 Thread
Gen 8 Resources Thread
World Cup of Other Metagames threads (these have BH games in them, each word links to a different week)
OMPL X Replays and Usage Stats
BH Ladder Tournament 2
OM Champs 2022
OM Swiss 2022 (Stage 1 BH/R1/R2/R3/QF/SF/F)
BH Seasonal 2022 (1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/F)
OMWC IV Replays and Usage Stats
No Imposter BH Tour

Challenge Codes

Individual:
/challenge gen8anythinggoes@@@!Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, -Comatose + Sleep Talk, OHKO Clause, Dynamax Clause, Endless Battle Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Forme Clause, -Rusted Sword, -Calyrex-Shadow, -Cramorant-Gorging, -Darmanitan-Galar-Zen, -Eternatus-Eternamax, -Shedinja, -Zacian-Crowned, -Double Iron Bash, -Octolock, -Shell Smash, -Bolt Beak, -Court Change, -Belly Drum, -Transform, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Libero, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Moody, -Water Bubble, -Innards Out, -Magnet Pull, -Stakeout, -Illusion, -Contrary, -Neutralizing Gas, -Gorilla Tactics, -Intrepid Sword

Tournament:
/tour new gen8anythinggoes, elimination,,, Gen 8 BH
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, -Comatose + Sleep Talk, OHKO Clause, Dynamax Clause, Endless Battle Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Forme Clause, -Rusted Sword, -Calyrex-Shadow, -Cramorant-Gorging, -Darmanitan-Galar-Zen, -Eternatus-Eternamax, -Shedinja, -Zacian-Crowned, -Double Iron Bash, -Octolock, -Shell Smash, -Bolt Beak, -Court Change, -Belly Drum, -Transform, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Libero, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Moody, -Water Bubble, -Innards Out, -Magnet Pull, -Stakeout, -Illusion, -Contrary, -Neutralizing Gas, -Gorilla Tactics, -Intrepid Sword

 

[Tea Guzzler]

SM Balanced Hackmons​

Important mechanical changes between Gen 9 and 7:

• All applicable changes in more recent gens.
• Moves cut from Generation 8, such as Pursuit and Judgment, are usable. Full list here (note: some were added back in DLCs).
• All Pokemon in the Generation 7 National Pokedex can be used, including Mega Evolutions and Ultra Necrozma.
• Z-Crystals and Mega Stones can be used, allowing for the use of Z-Moves and manual Mega Evolution.
• Figy Berry and its equivalents restore HP by 50% instead of 33%.
• Rapid Spin is 20 BP and does not increase Speed.
• Grassy, Electric, and Psychic Terrain boost is 1.5x instead of 1.3x.
• Defog doesn't remove Terrains.

Click here for a comprehensive list of changes.

Banlist

Pokemon

• Primal Groudon (Link)
• Mega Rayquaza (Link)

Moves

• Chatter (Link)
• OHKO Moves

Abilities

• Wonder Guard
• Pure/Huge Power
• Parental Bond (Link)
• Protean (Link) (Gen 7: Link)
• Shadow Tag/Arena Trap
• Moody (Link)
• Water Bubble (Link)
• Innards Out (Link)
• Magnet Pull (Link)
• Stakeout (Link)
• Psychic Surge (Link)
• Illusion (Link)
• Contrary (Link)

Clauses

• Ability Clause: No more than two Pokemon with the same ability per team. (Link)
• CFZ Clause: Use of Crystal-Free Z-Moves (CFZ's) is disallowed. Z-Moves can only be used by upgrading the base move with a Z-Crystal, like in standard play. (Link, Discussion)
• ComaTalk Clause: Sleep Talk can't be run on a Pokemon with the Comatose ability (Link)
• Endless Battle Clause: Forcing an endless battle is banned, similar to the rest of PS
• Evasion Moves Clause: No moves that can increase Evasion are allowed. This does not include abilities or items that may modify Evasion passively such as Sand Veil or Brightpowder (Link)
• Sleep Clause: Only one Pokemon on the opponent's team can be put to sleep at a time. This excludes self-inflicted sleep or Comatose (Link)
• Forme Clause: You may only use one of each forme of a Pokemon on your team. (Example: you can use both Mewtwo-Mega-X and Mewtwo-Mega-Y on the same team)

Items

• 
  Gengarite (Link)

Viability Rankings

S Rank
Imposter
Xerneas

A Rank
A+
Gengar-Mega
Giratina

Groudon [Red Orb]
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Shedinja
Zygarde-Complete

A
Diancie-Mega
Kyogre-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-X

A-
Kartana
Yveltal

B Rank
B+
Garchomp-Mega
Registeel

B
Aerodactyl-Mega
Arceus
Dialga
Ho-Oh

Kangaskhan [Kangaskhanite]
Kyurem-Black
Magearna
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Regigigas/Slaking
Tyranitar-Mega


B-
Aegislash
Audino-Mega
Beedrill-Mega
Blaziken-Mega
Celesteela
Chansey
Cresselia
Greninja-Ash
Kyurem-White
Slowbro-Mega
Solgaleo
Zekrom

C Rank
Charizard-Mega-Y (Poison Heal, Aerilate, Triage)
Deoxys-Attack
Ferrothorn
Gyarados-Mega
Metagross-Mega (Magic Bounce, Regenerator, Tough Claws)
Necrozma-Ultra
Palkia (Drizzle, Tinted Lens, Swift Swim)
Pheromosa
Rayquaza (Aerilate, Triage, Tough Claws)
Sableye-Mega
Scizor-Mega (Flash Fire)
Steelix-Mega (Flash Fire, Prankster, Regenerator)
Suicune (Magic Bounce)
Swampert-Mega
Tapu Fini (Fur Coat)

D Rank
Aggron-Mega (Regenerator, Prankster)
Ampharos-Mega (Prankster, Galvanize)

Arceus-Steel (Multitype)
Darmanitan-Zen (Regenerator, Fur Coat)
Diancie
Gardevoir-Mega (Tinted Lens, Pixilate)
Giratina-Origin (Magic Bounce, Prankster, Mold Breaker)
Groudon (Fur Coat, Soundproof)
Heatran (Magic Bounce, Levitate)
Heracross-Mega (Triage, Tinted Lens)
Hoopa-Unbound
Lucario-Mega (Steelworker)
Lugia (Aerilate, Magic Bounce)
Marowak-Alola (Tinted Lens, Tough Claws)
Nihilego (Sand Stream, Levitate)
Regirock (Sand Stream)
Reshiram (Turboblaze, Poison Heal, Desolate Land)
Sceptile-Mega
Stakataka (Steelworker, Sand Stream, Levitate)
Toxapex
Venusaur-Mega (Flash Fire)
Xurkitree (Galvanize)
Zeraora (Snow Warning, Teravolt)

Sample Teams

Double PH TDS Variation by Marsopa Trump & Test Rex
[Balance - Poison Heal Yveltal + Tough Claws Beedrill-Mega]

Team Notes

This team has a solid defensive and offensive core. I chose ferrothorn over registeel to have a more solid answer to pheal spikes setter xerneas (without magma) that is rising in use (as well a spike setter pheal audino). Ferro is a nice mabouncer and got quite more usable post ray ban. In this variation I sack mmx and diancie and change them for yveltal and xerneas, both pheal. Xerneas was chosen for it utility to set spikes safely while bringing offensive power and the option to boost and sweep. Is hard imposterproofed by ferrothorn at +0 and+1, if its further boosted xern itself can still imposterproof (unless crit uh), letting imp set spikes but it also goes for you. Yveltal is chosen as a knock offer and u-turn punisher. I have a lot of oportinities to boost during a match and can punish spectral users with beak blast. It imposterproofs himself (unless crit uh x 2). Anchor stand for have a better mashup against audino, impostertrap and ocasionally trapping passive walls without stat control to boost in the face. Its a solid mon over all. This variation is a bit more defensive but still have enough offensive presence. Earth power in xern may be changed by nuzzle or another support move.

Final Gambit Lunala by Chessking345
[Balance - Teravolt Lunala + Adaptability Gengar-Mega]

Team Notes

Fun team around a Ghost core. Lunala is immensely threatening to anything not Dark, which it just blows up and frees Gengar potential sweep. Zygarde Cresselia and Kyogre act as a weird but decently effective defensive core. Nuzzle and Spectrals are kinda the main setup check so be careful with opposing setup. Lead Imposter or Cresselia into Zyg or something. Sometimes Lunala is a better breaker so use Gengar to weaken checks. Dark Z part shot can be used to heal Lunala to blow up stuff if it’s chipped.
Team is susceptible to Guzzlord because Lunala doesn’t blow it up and it checks Gengar. Pursuit trappers are also threatening as 3 mons are weak to them. PH normals are also somewhat threatening as they are immune to the main methods of setup control, forcing the use of the offensive mons to check

Legend of the Panda by Marsopa Trump & Test Rex
[Balance - Tough Claws Tyranitar-Mega + Tough Claws Beedrill-Mega]

Team Notes

The ttar is meant to be a pangoro but I dont want the team to get auto rejected lol. beedrill and ferro do similar jobs than in the other team. Fini works as a stallbreaker with infestation+scald which is a deadly combo. Its also a good rock setter. Darmanitan is a regenvest to solid block non-rock stab diancies (ferro block diancies with rock coverage and darm does so with diancie with fire coverage), refridge kyurems, refri or pixi mmx and blanket check for mmy, as well as being able to spred burns with happiness. Standard physical wall gira and ttar finish the team with his raw high power and the ability to trap mons with pursuit and remove items. The improofs are: ttar > fini (after orb activation), bee > fini and darmanitan, gira > ttar and ferro, ferro > darmanitan, fini > itself and ferro, darmanitan > fini and ttar.

Eons of Stars by Sectonia
[Balance - Magic Guard Diancie-Mega + Poison Heal Xerneas]

Team Notes

Built around the concept of Fairy-Spam, kinda. This team kinda struggles with Shedinja, hence why Necrozma-Dusk-Mane is carrying Sunsteel Strike. Xerneas is improofed by Ho-oh, Mega Diancie is improofed by Necrozma-Dusk-Mane. Honestly, I prefer the other team more because it has better ways of dealing with Shedinja, but this team did pretty decently on ladder.

Triage Charizard by Chessking345
[Balance - Triage Charizard-Mega-Y + Poison Heal Xerneas]

Team Notes

Generic Balance team. Main Breaker is Charizard-Y which can sweep very very easily. Tyranitar provides offensive support. Xerneas Toxapex Giratina form a defensive core, Imposter rounds off. Lead is usually Imposter but leading with Char-Y or Pex is ok too. Really try to get Orb activation super fast because your Improof requires it. Tyranitar has great longevity and isn't very scared of Imposter coming in as it is doing good damage while threatening Knock. Toxapex is your NormGar check and is a very good bouncer overall, you can switch it into a lot of defensive mons as well as PH Xern and MMX without much trouble. You want rocks off for Charizard to ease setup. Charizard is pretty easy to get in actually as it has a lot of longevity, Tail Glow is safe play pretty much unless opponent has pivoting and Imposter. If everything is weakened or checks eliminated PH Xern can clean late game which is cool. Team has 2 strong priority which helps against non DQM setup. Tyranitar and Chansey improof Charizard, Xerneas improofs Giratina and Tyranitar, Toxapex improofs Xerneas.
Team is not great against Gengar because Tyranitar dies to Sword, luckily DQM doesn't have the boost so Pex can soft check kinda. Kyurem-W is also kinda threatening because Toxapex isn't a switch-in.

Alternate options on the team are utility move over Volt Switch on Chary to ease improofing. Pursuit over Sucker Punch or Rock Blast on TTar to trap and dent some stuff. Shed Shell over Eviolite on Imposter. Knock Off over Spectral Thief on Toxapex to ease Gengar matchup (use Charizard to check Xern).

Gensokyo Millenium by cityscapes
[Balance - Poison Heal Mewtwo-Mega-Y + Sturdy Shedinja]

Team Notes

similar to penguin (rip) and most other shed teams this team takes some getting used to, but it can be very powerful if played well. poison heal mmy is a neat set that can really go in vs weakened teams and teams that rely on passive mons like chans and registeel. pixilate xern is the secondary hazard setter, the hazard remover, and a pretty strong wallbreaker that can pick off some weakened resists unlike the ph set. imposter + shed is imposter + shed. hooh is the bouncer here because it beats nearly all hazard setters, similarly gira is the prankster because the team needs a blanket check to physical attackers.
watch out for specs gar that mons pretty annoying, youll need to make use of mmy + imposter + xern to retain momentum and eventually take it down. very uncommon pokemon though so dont worry about him too much

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-995280850 vs balance
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-995804166 vs stall
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-995811166 vs mmy spam
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-995816874 vs ghost spam

Shed Stall 2019 by a person
[Stall - Sturdy Shedinja + Fur Coat Giratina]

Team Notes

There's nothing here

Links

Main BH Thread (2017 | 2018 | 2019)
BH Central Resources (VR | Speed Tiers)
BH Setpedia
BH Suspects and Bans Thread
Creative and Underrated Sets
OM Bazaar
OM Teambuilding Shop
OM Analyses
OMGS II Playoffs | OMGS III Playoffs
OMPL V (Replays/Usage Stats | Post-OMPL Thread) | OMPL VI (Replays/Usage Stats | Post-OMPL Thread) | OMPL VII (Replays/Usage Stats | Post-OMPL Thread)
OMWC I (Replays/Usage Stats | Post-OMWC Thread) | OMWC II (no replay thread | Post-OMWC Thread)
BH Snake Draft (2018)
USUM BH Cup (2020)

Challenge Codes

Individual:
/challenge gen7anythinggoes@@@!Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, OHKO Clause, Ability Clause = 2, CFZ Clause, -Comatose + Sleep Talk, Endless Battle Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, Forme Clause, -Gengarite, -Groudon-Primal, -Rayquaza-Mega, -Chatter, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Moody, -Water Bubble, -Innards Out, -Magnet Pull, -Stakeout, -Psychic Surge, -Illusion, -Contrary
Tournament:
/tour new gen7anythinggoes, elimination,,, Gen 7 BH
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, OHKO Clause, Ability Clause = 2, CFZ Clause, -Comatose + Sleep Talk, Endless Battle Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, Forme Clause, -Gengarite, -Groudon-Primal, -Rayquaza-Mega, -Chatter, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Moody, -Water Bubble, -Innards Out, -Magnet Pull, -Stakeout, -Psychic Surge, -Illusion, -Contrary

 

[Tea Guzzler]

ORAS Balanced Hackmons
​

Important mechanical changes between Gen 9 and 6:

• All applicable changes in more recent gens.
• 510 EV limit is enforced.
• Burn deals 12.5% per turn, not 6.25%.
• Soul Dew boosts Special Attack and Special Defense of Latios and Latias by 1.5x.
• Dark Void's accuracy is 80%, and is not restricted to Darkrai.
• Prankster-boosted status moves affect Dark-types.
• -ate abilities grant a 1.3x power boost, not 1.2x.
• Gale Wings grants +1 priority to all Flying-type attacks regardless of the user's HP.
• Base critical hit rate is 1/16 instead of 1/24.
• Normalize no longer boosts the power of affected moves.

Banlist

Moves

• Assist (Link)
• Chatter (Link)
• OHKO Moves

Abilities

• Wonder Guard
• Pure/Huge Power
• Parental Bond (Link)
• Protean (Link)
• Shadow Tag/Arena Trap
• Moody (Link)

Pokemon

• Primal Groudon (Link)
• Primal Kyogre (Link)

Clauses

• Ability Clause: No more than two Pokemon with the same ability per team. (Link)
• -Ate Clause: No more than one Pokemon with the ability Aerilate, Refrigerate or Pixilate per team (Link)
• Endless Battle Clause: Forcing an endless battle is banned, similar to the rest of PS
• Evasion Moves Clause: No moves that can increase Evasion are allowed. This does not include abilities or items that may modify Evasion passively such as Sand Veil or Brightpowder (Link)

Viability Rankings

S Rank
Chansey
Mega Diancie
Mega Rayquaza

A Rank
A+
Giratina
Mega Gengar

A
Aegislash
Groudon (Red Orb)
Mega Audino
Mega Mewtwo X
Mega Tyranitar
Registeel

A-
Dialga
Kyogre
Mega Latias
Mega Latios
Mega Mewtwo Y
Shedinja

B Rank
B+
Arceus
Kyurem-Black
Mega Garchomp
Mega Gyarados
Yveltal

B
Regigigas
Slaking

B-
Gengar
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Mega Blaziken
Mega Metagross
Regirock
Xerneas

C Rank
C+
Cresselia
Kyurem-White
Lugia
Mega Aerodactyl
Mega Aggron
Mega Sceptile
Mega Steelix
Mega Venusaur
Palkia

C
Deoxys-Attack
Deoxys-Speed
Hoopa-Unbound
Mega Scizor
Reshiram

C-
Giratina-Origin
Mega Swampert
Zekrom

D Rank
Ferrothorn
Heatran
Kangaskhan
Mawile
Mega Alakazam
Mega Ampharos
Mega Heracross
Mega Salamence
Pikachu

Sample Teams

M-Ray + M-Tar Balance by Kingslayer2779
[Balance - Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega + Poison Heal Tyranitar-Mega]

Team Notes

Teambuilding: Generally when i build BH teams, i don't go out looking to build around a certain core or Pokemon. I often find that building that way leads to forcing cores that don't work. So generally i just try to "out do" the meta. The original team had Red Orb Groudon and Mega Rayquaza, but i switched to Mega Tyranitar for more of a "sweeper" and something else that beat Mega Ray's Counters. Speaking of Mega Ray, i chose a pretty standard set. Aerliate is good in just about any match up because it always beats something on the opponent's team. Mega Tyranitar is an amazing bulky PH set up sweeper, and beats almost all -ate counters. Mega Gengar traps and kills Shedinja, which can trouble both sets. Mega Ttar can beat Shed with Knock Off and Sacred Fire with a little bit of luck, but you might lose that match up. The main Defensive core of this team is Chansey and Giratina, backed up by Audino. Chans counters most -ate sets, MM2y and other powerful special attackers. Giratina can counter MM2x sets and Primal Groudon sets. Mega Audino synergies with the core by countering Knock Off users that otherwise trouble this team, such as Mega Tyranitar and Yveltal. It also counters Spooky Judgement sets such as Mega Gengar and Mega Mewtwo Y.

How to use this Team: Mega Tyranitar is the primary wincon, thanks to its natural bulk and Aerliate resistance, it can easily sweep many BH teams. If you wish to change this team i suggest building the other offensive sets more around eliminating its counters. The idea is to use the defensive core to switch into offensive threats and then pivot to Mega Tyranitar or Mega Ray. This pivoting also helps Mega Gengar trap Shedinja. Occasionally you will stall out a team, but it usually doesn't happen.

Why this Team Works:
Mega Tyranitar and Mega Ray eliminate most of the meta together. Both are good at wearing down potential counters. The defensive core can switch into most of the offensive threats in the meta. The team also carries good utility and support moves.

What Scares this Team.

Specs Mega Ray- 2hkos Chans, so no switch ins.

Diancie- we have a check in Gengar and a Counter in Chans, but it destroys everything else on the team. We would much rather see non Specs Mega Ray.

Sleep Spam- To be fair what BH team isn't a little scared of Sleep spam? Just try to stay on Tyranitar/Audino/Giratina, and hope you don't see something with Spore that beats them.

Tinted Lens Dialga- We can actually counter with Chans, but its still Sp00py.

Stall teams with multiple counters for Ray and TTar- can anyone say "bad matchup"

Replays-
Currently Down.
see the silly things thread.

Maybe Imas stops harassing me now y/y

Sandstorm Balance by HeadsILoseTailsYouWin
[Balance - RegenVest Regirock + Tinted Lens Dialga]

Team Notes

How it works: Sand performs a multitude of useful functions in BH. Among these are killing non-safety goggles Shedinja, bolstering the Special Defense of Rock-type Pokémon massively, and adding pesky residual damage. This team is built around a core of Tinted Lens Dialga and Magnet Pull Xerneas with several pivots to allow both to switch in safely. Assault Vest Regirock is the go-to pivot when you want to get something in safely - With titanic 80/200 physical bulk, and base 100 Special Defense increased by both the Assault Vest and the Sandstorm, it is almost guaranteed to get a threat in safely. This team lacks Imposter support, so take care to not let anything get boosted out of control.

Bulky Nuke Offense by E4 Flint
[Offense - Tinted Lens Latios-Mega + Mold Breaker Mewtwo-Mega-X]

Team Notes

How it Works:
Nothing too extraordinary. Use Registeel as your main damage absorber, phazor, status dealer, and pivot to try and get latios or megaray in as much as you can. Giratina PH can be used to come in on things that Registeel cannot take 2 hits from (see MewtwoMegaX that is not protean with DM). Latios is your primary form of nuking and does the job quite well, with Tinted Soul Dew basically making a mockery of the tier (Psystrike can ohko opposing Latios Mega for example). You can use MewtwoMegaX as a way to get in the faces of threatening Dark types, who can defeat Latios with Sucker/Pursuit mindgames, as well as set SR up against Steel types for Shedinja, or kill it directly. Registeel takes care of Imposters for Megaray and Latios, while Giratina can come in on m2x, and is itself resistant to Imposter. Since this team is so nuke and momentum oriented, it is wise to try and act quickly in the face of setup. Moves such as WW or Dragon Tail. can be added if you find yourself losing to them consistently. Overall it is a basic team that is a good place for new players to start out with and modify according to their needs and wants, while being good against the majority of the ladder as is. It is why I give this team out very often to beginning players and I'm sure others can attest to its success, with many of my sets, especially the Latios, found in other teams as well.
Notable Replay:
I can't seem to find many so I'll just post this:
Vs Adrian Marin (Prototype version of team)http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/balancedhackmons-189636134

Semistall by highlighter
[Semi-stall - Fur Coat Groudon + Soundproof Tyranitar-Mega]

Team Notes

How it Works:
Latios is the team's primary stall breaker, capable of 2HKOing most common walls thanks to Soul Dew. Pixilate turns Latios into a lure set, taking out Dark types such as Tyranitar and Yveltal who are expecting a Psystrike or Draco Meteor. Spore is for Fur Coat Chansey and Magma Storm for Shedinja. Max HP EV's lets Latios barely survive unboosted attacks from MMY or Gengar in order to retaliate with Psystrike or Boomburst (this is only if Soul Dew has not been removed). Aegislash is the team's primary -ate check, with Ho-Oh and Tyranitar serving as secondary -ate checks to Diancie and Rayquaza respectively. Aegislash's role includes hazard removal, preventing Trick with Mail, and eliminating status from the team through Aromatherapy. However, when using Aromatherapy you must ensure that Audino does not get its Toxic Orb removed, or it will lose its function as the team's main status absorber. Groudon will absorb nearly any physical attack thrown at it, and can successful wall both MMX and Poison Heal Tyranitar. Thousand Waves will trap and take out Imposters or physical attackers that lack recovery. Ice Shard is mainly for PP stalling but can also deal about 50% to Rayquaza if the need arises. Audino is the team's primary special wall, status absorber, and wish passer. It's great defenses and unique typing allow it to check most variants of MMY or Gengar. As long as it's in healthy condition, Audino can check the team's Latios if Tyranitar is down. Ho-Oh functions as the team's secondary special wall and will handle most special setup sweepers through Heart Swap and Oblivion Wing. Ho-Oh can also check Gengar in the case that it carries Sludge Wave/Bomb, which would take out Audino. Tyranitar's main job is to Imposterproof Latios and handle -ate Rayquaza's with only fire-type coverage. Thanks to Soundproof, Tyranitar can surprise Diancie's who aren't expecting it and in return deal massive damage with Diamond Storm. Tyranitar is also the team's only sort of form of revenge killing so try to prevent opponents from setting up too much.

Major threats to the team include Poison Heal Kyogre with Water Spout or Steam Eruption, Protean MMY with LO Boomburst, Primal-Groudon with V-create, and Gengar with Sludge Wave if rocks are up. Mixed Contrary Rayquaza can also prove to be a problem since the team lacks both Imposter and Shedinja. Also bear in mind that against HO teams, Latios is somewhat useless due to being outsped by most offensive threats.

Notable Replays:
Could only find these ones.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/balancedhackmons-314081735 vs Heisen
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/balancedhackmons-314085555 vs Draegon

Balance by cauliflower1
[Balance - Scarf Mewtwo-Mega-X + Pixilate Diancie-Mega]

Team Notes

How it works:
The main idea with this team is to spam pixilate boomburst and use Dialga to break through whatever Diancie can't. Subpass Gira allows you to use boomburst safely, except vs another mon using boomburst. It also allows Dialga to stall an additional turn for Doom Desire to hit. Dark Void/Spore gives you free turns to sub pass and can also be a last ditch effort to stop sweepers. Heart swap allows Giratina to be a poor man's Chansey, except it actually works better vs PHOgre. Diancie is mostly standard; sub allows it to beat Dialga and takes advantage of purely defensive pivots, and magma storm allows it to keep the pressure on even if the opposing team has shed. It can also trap Chansey transformed into Dialga. Audino provides a switch-in to status, Megagar, and MMY, but the latter two can beat it with the right moves. Whirlwind makes it not setup fodder. Slowbro is the main -ate check, and it beats your own Diancie pretty easily, but it has to be a little cautious vs -ate pokemon that are invested in attack. Generally, try to keep it above 70% so it can take 2 espeeds. I put perish song there as a win condition and a way to stop the opponent from setting up, but it's probably not necessary. MMX can cripple something and beats shed. Close combat OHKO's fur coat Chansey which would otherwise be an issue.

Threats:
-ate pokemon with techno blast, LO MMY with boomburst, Latios, Megagar with sludge wave, and Gale wings Megaray. Hazards, especially toxic spikes, can be an issue since I have no defog support, but SR itself is not so bad.

Gengar Balance by dragonite drake
[Balance - Gengarite Gengar + Magic Guard Diancie-Mega]
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Team Notes

How it works: This team is build around gengarite gengar w/ illusion. Rayquaza and diancie are the main wall breakers while aegi/regi are the main walls. gengar can switch into predicted status moves or pivoted into by aegislash. then encore trap the opponent and use the nicknames to play mind games with the opponent(all pokemons are nicked "i am not gengar").encore+disable is a nice way to deal with stall mons, while its two other moves are to trap and kill mons that are frail/ weak to it. registeel has priority taunt and parting shot to impsoster prove gengar, while aegislash's infestation+entrainment will help imposter prove diance and rayquaza. use registeel to deal with setup sweepers and to fast pivot.use chansey after opponents teams wall have been removed by gengar, or weakened by diance/rayquaza.

Links

Main BH Thread (2014 | 2015 | 2016)
BH Central (asterat's VR | Heisenerg's VR | Kit Kasai's VR | Piccolo Daimao's VR | Uselesscrab's VR | Speed Tiers)
BH Suspect Discussion | BH Suspects and Bans Thread
Creative and Underrated Sets (Previous Thread)
OM Team Dump Thread (also see IT11's post here)
OM Teambuilding Shop
BH CCAT I | BH CCAT II
OMPL II (Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Finals) | OMPL III (Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Finals) | OMPL IV
BH Tour
BH Snake Draft

Challenge Codes

NOTE: GEN 6 BH HAS -ATE CLAUSE, WHICH CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED WITH A CHALLENGE CODE. YOU NEED TO GENTLEMAN IT
Individual: /challenge gen6anythinggoes@@@!Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, OHKO Clause, Ability Clause = 2, Endless Battle Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, -Assist, -Chatter, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Moody, -Groudon-Primal, -Kyogre-Primal
Tournaments:
/tour new gen6anythinggoes, elimination,,, Gen 6 BH
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, OHKO Clause, Ability Clause = 2, CFZ Clause, -Comatose + Sleep Talk, Endless Battle Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, Forme Clause, -Gengarite, -Groudon-Primal, -Rayquaza-Mega, -Chatter, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Parental Bond, -Protean, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Moody, -Water Bubble, -Innards Out, -Magnet Pull, -Stakeout, -Psychic Surge, -Illusion, -Contrary

 

[Tea Guzzler]

BW Balanced Hackmons​

Important mechanical changes betwee Gen 9 and 5:

• All applicable changes in more recent gens.​
• No EV limit.​
• No Fairy-type.​
• No Terrains.​
• No Team Preview.​
• Knock Off is 20 BP and doesn't have a damage boost when removing an item.​
• Critical damage is 2x original damage, not 1.5x.​
• Grass-types aren't immune to powder moves.​
• Steel resists Ghost and Dark.​
• Infiltrator and sound moves don't bypass Substitute.​
• Weather summoned by Drought, Drizzle, Snow Warning, and Sandstorm lasts until replaced.​
• Pokestar Studios opponents are usable.​
• Sleep turns reset when switching out.​
• Defog doesn't remove hazards on the user's side.​
• Some special moves like Draco Meteor, Hurricane, and Fire Blast have a slightly higher base power. Full list here.​

Banlist

Moves

• OHKO Moves

Abilities

• Wonder Guard
• Pure/Huge Power
• Shadow Tag/Arena Trap

Clauses

• Sleep Clause: Only one Pokemon on the opponent's team can be put to sleep at a time. This excludes self-inflicted sleep.
• Endless Battle Clause: Forcing an endless battle is banned.

Viability Rankings

S Rank
Latios (Contrary, weather ability, Mold Breaker, Regenerator)

A Rank
Arceus (Mold Breaker, Poison Heal, Unaware)
Chansey (Imposter)
Cresselia (Unaware)
Giratina (Magic Bounce, Poison Heal, weather setter, Unaware, Normalize)
Groudon (Illusion, Prankster, Poison Heal)
Ho-Oh (Magnet Pull, Magic Guard, Chlorophyll, Tinted Lens, Mold Breaker)
Kyogre (Drizzle, Swift Swim, Poison Heal, Mold Breaker)
Kyurem-Black (Adaptability)
Kyurem-White (Contrary)
Landorus-Therian (Prankster)
Palkia (Swift Swim)
Pokestar MT (Flash Fire, others)
Pokestar MT2 (Flash Fire, others)
Pokestar Spirit (Poison Heal, Unaware)
Rayquaza (Contrary, Illusion, Magic Guard)
Regigigas, Slaking (Poison Heal, Normalize)
Reshiram (Chlorophyll, Contrary)

B Rank
Archeops (Poison Heal, Magic Guard)
Dialga (weather setter, Regenerator, Adaptability)
Deoxys-Attack (Sheer Force, etc)
Giratina-Origin (Poison Heal, Normalize)
Infernape (Tinted Lens, Magnet Pull)
Jirachi (Dry Skin, etc)
Latias (see Latios)
Lugia (Magic Guard, etc)
Mewtwo (Sheer Force, Adaptability, some others)
Pokestar UFO (Magic Bounce)
Registeel (weather setter, Magic Bounce, etc)
Shaymin (Poison Heal, Drizzle)
Shedinja (Sturdy)
Tyranitar (Sand Stream, Levitate, Dry Skin, Poison Heal)
Zekrom (Poison Heal, Contrary)

C Rank
Arceus-Flying (Multitype)
Arceus-Rock (Multitype)
Arceus-Steel (Multitype)
Darkrai (No Guard, Poison Heal)
Deoxys-Speed (Mold Breaker, Poison Heal)
Ferrothorn (Flash Fire, Scrappy)
Genesect (No Guard)
Gengar (Normalize)
Keldeo (Tinted Lens, Drizzle, Poison Heal)
Landorus (Sheer Force)
Pokestar UFO2 (Mold Breaker)
Raikou (Dry Skin)
Scizor (Unaware, Dry Skin)
Shaymin-Sky (Sheer Force)
Suicune (Magic Bounce, Scrappy)
Terrakion (Magic Guard)
Thundurus-Therian (Sheer Force)

NEEDS FURTHER EXPLORATION
Other Multitype Arceus formes
Blissey (Imposter, Unaware, Poison Heal)
Pikachu (Imposter)
Pokestar Brycen-Man
Pokestar F-002
Pokestar Monster
Shuckle (Unaware)

Sample Teams

None Yet

Links

Main BH Thread (2013)
The Complete and Comprehensive Guide to Balanced Hackmons
Viability Rankings
Underused Pokemon
Balanced Hackmons Version 2: Warstory
OM Team Study - Balanced Hackmons
BH Smogcast
Introduction to "Balanced" Hackmons
Balanced Hackmons Threats Revealed
Old VR

Challenge Codes

Individual:
/challenge gen5ou@@@+Uber, !Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, OHKO Clause, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, Sleep Clause Mod, Endless Battle Clause
Tournament:
/tour new gen5ou, elimination,,, Gen 5 BH
/tour rules +Uber, !Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, OHKO Clause, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, Sleep Clause Mod, Endless Battle Clause

 

[Tea Guzzler]

DPP Balanced Hackmons​

Important mechanical changes between Gen 9 and 4:

• Magic Coat doesn't block hazards, Taunt, or Torment.
• Encore lasts between 3 and 7 turns.
• Explosion and Self-Destruct have doubled BP.
• Sturdy doesn't have the Focus Sash effect; it only grants immunity to OHKO moves.
• Magic Guard prevents full paralysis from happening.
• Tail Glow gives +2 Special Attack instead of +3.
• Wish restores 50% of the recipient's max HP, not the user's.
• All Rotom formes are Ghost/Electric.

Banlist

Moves

• OHKO Moves

Abilities

• Wonder Guard
• Pure/Huge Power
• Shadow Tag/Arena Trap
• Weather + Speed-Boosting Weather Ability

Clauses

• Ability Clause: No more than two Pokemon with the same ability per team.
• Endless Battle Clause: Forcing an endless battle is banned, similar to the rest of PS

Viability Rankings

None Yet

Sample Teams

None Yet

Links

Pokemon Throwback Ladder Discussion Thread

Challenge Codes

Individual:
/challenge gen4ou@@@+Uber, !Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, OHKO Clause, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Drizzle ++ Swift Swim, -Drought ++ Chlorophyll, Ability Clause = 2, Endless Battle Clause
Tournament:
/tour new gen4ou, elimination,,, Gen 4 BH
/tour rules +Uber, !Obtainable Moves, !Obtainable Abilities, !Obtainable Formes, !EV Limit, OHKO Clause, -Wonder Guard, -Pure Power, -Huge Power, -Shadow Tag, -Arena Trap, -Drizzle ++ Swift Swim, -Drought ++ Chlorophyll, Ability Clause = 2, Endless Battle Clause

 

[Tea Guzzler]

RBY Balanced Hackmons​

Important mechanical changes from Gen 9 to 1:

• Special Attack and Special Defense are compressed into Special, with a Pokemon's would-be Special Attack being its Special.
• Frozen Pokemon don't naturally thaw; they need to be hit with Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Haze, or Ember.
• Waking up from sleep uses a Pokemon's turn.
• Toxic Poison becomes regular Poison after switching.
• Leech Seed saps 1/16 x target's Toxic counter.
• Haze removes all stat boosts, an opponent's major status, and all "minor" status like Leech Seed and Reflect.
• Hyper Beam has no recharge turn if it KOes the target.
• Disable, Leech Seed, sleep, confusion, and primary paralysis bypass Substitute.
• Roar and Whirlwind do nothing.
• Crit rate is tied to Speed, and moves with high crit rate have 4x base.
• Pokemon can be pre-statused by equipping PAR, SLP, PSN, BRN, or FRZ in the item slot. This is self-inflicted, so bypasses Freeze and Sleep clauses.
• Reflect and Light Screen double the user's Defense and Special when taking tamage, lasting until the user switches out.
• Pokemon can be up to level 255.
• Missingno. is usable.

Click here for a comprehensive list of changes. Note that not all of these mechanics are implemented correctly on PS.
Playable on http://rby.psim.us/.

Banlist

Moves

• Bind
• Clamp
• Dig
• Fire Spin
• Fly
• Wrap

Pokemon

• Mewtwo

Clauses

• Endless Battle Clause: Forcing an endless battle is banned, similar to the rest of PS
• Freeze Clause: Only one Pokemon on the opponent's team can be frozen at a time. This excludes self-inflicted freeze.
• OHKO Clause: OHKO moves are banned.
• Sleep Clause: Only one Pokemon on the opponent's team can be put to sleep at a time. This excludes self-inflicted sleep.

Viability Rankings

None Yet

Sample Teams

None Yet

Links

RBY2k20 Discord

Challenge Codes

Individual:
/challenge gen1ou@@@!Obtainable Moves, +Mew, -Bind, -Clamp, -Dig, -Fire Spin, -Fly, -Wrap, Endless Battle Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, Freeze Clause Mod
Tournament:
/tour new gen1ou, elimination,,, Gen 1 BH
/tour rules !Obtainable Moves, +Mew, -Bind, -Clamp, -Dig, -Fire Spin, -Fly, -Wrap, Endless Battle Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, Freeze Clause Mod

 

[Nihilslave]

Some Gen 4 replays:
Ghostceus Spam 0
Stall vs. dumb player
Ghostceus Spam 1 (PH Explosion)
Ghostceus Spam 2 (Drum Spam)
P.S. Arceus needs Multitype to keep its type in Gen 4.

Some Conclusions:
1. Gen 4 BH really needs Sleep Clause.
2. Explosion the best move besides Spore.
3. BDrum seems to be also broken for some reason (actually for no reason lol).
4. I don't know why but no one used Lati@s. They do need exploration.
5. In case you don't know, Imposter doesn't exist in Gen 4.

 

[AreFriendsElectric]

Personal RBY Balanced Hackmons Viability Rankings:

S: Electrode Tauros Starmie
A+:
A: Alakazam Snorlax
B+: Aerodactyl Chansey Persian
B:
C+: Dodrio
C: Gengar Mew
D: Machamp Scyther

 

[Tea Guzzler]

These metas have challenge codes now! Gens 6-8 are AG Based, whereas Gens 5, 4, and 1 are OU-based. All have both individual challenge codes and tournament challenge codes. Check the spoiler tags for each meta.

 

[aerobee]

I normally don’t delve into BH, but I do like the concept and I noticed that earlier BH generations don’t seem to have bad as active tiering by their respective councils when they were current gens. An EV-limited BH metagame sounds like it could have potential, but looking at the resources/thread for ORAS I felt that the transition from a Slightly-Impure Hackmons to a truly balanced metagame was incomplete, and I wanted to suggest some tiering action in case this starts being played again. I have almost no BH background, but I know Gen 6 PH better than anyone else, and understand what aspects could be transitive to a no Wonder Guard/OHKO/trapping Ability/Huge Power metagame, so I do think my takes have some merit but please take them with a grain of salt.
i felt like posting because apparently unrestricted sleep is legal


Obvious Bans (even to outsiders like me):

Insanely Broken Stuff

- Contrary (broken from the get go, because you have to immediately come in on your PrankHazer, hope your Unaware user won’t get broken through (it probably will), or hope the Contrary user isn’t Imposter-proofed (I’ve seen Flash Fire/Primordial Sea in other gens so I’m assuming they’re usable here as well). If not obviously broken it is overly restrictive on building to be justifiable in BH
- Magnet Pull (trapping Abilities are never okay)
- Mega Rayquaza (egregiously broken even without Aerilate, could probably run physical and special sets that both maul Imposter and have strictly different counterplay. Mixed sets sound unwallable as well if properly built)
- Sleep Moves (apparently there’s no Sleep Clause in this metagame either, Dark Void is the most busted move in Pure Hackmons and there’s no way it is meaningfully less egregious in BH)
- Shell Smash (broken ESPECIALLY in an EV-limited metagame, and there is no shortage of Pokemon that could make use of both offensive stats (Mega Diancie/Xerneas/Zekrom come to mind) or be overbearing with +2 SpA/Spe in one turn (Mega Rayquaza/Mega Lati@s/Mega Gengar/Red Orb Groudon?), all of which could conceivably be Imposter-proofed with careful building)

Less Obvious Bans:

Less Broken Stuff

- Belly Drum (admittedly harder to pull off than in other generations due to offensive Pokémon’s lower bulk, but users do have a easier time OHKOing Imposter users afterwards and the move has the same issues competitively as in other generations. Probably quite hard to argue Belly Drum isn’t banworthy)
- Full -ate Ban (I do think -ates are too strong in an EV-limited metagame without Wonder Guard, even if they have an enormous positive impact in an otherwise insanely offensive metagame. Specific counterplay can lose to variants that apparently aren’t too uncommon (Techno Blast to hit Soundproof mons, for example), and coverage is always an option, though to be fair that’s the same with everything else. An EV-limited metagame requires an inherently lower offensive power level to maintain the same level of balance as in later generations, and I don’t think a Pure Hackmons-modeled metagame (that’s basically held together by absurdly strong revenging) cuts it in the balance department. If -ates were to be fully banned there would still be usable priority regardless, with Extreme Speed Normal-types and Sucker Punch/Pursuit Dark-types akin to Huge Power Mega Gyarados/Mega Tyranitar in Pure Hackmons. I understand that this would be a profound change, though, and that I might lack the knowledge to credibly call for metagame-transforming action)
- Tail Glow (Powerful Tail Glow users seem overbearing in a metagame where specially defensive Pokemon are more vulnerable to Secret Sword/Psystrike than in other generations)

Other Potential Bans:

Maybe, Maybe Not

- Mega Gengar (repeatedly eating Secret Swords isn’t fun for anything in an EV-limited metagame, and most of what can loses to Ghost-type Judgment. In Pure Hackmons Gengar’s limited by heavy revenge-killing, I’m not sure if Gengar would be balanced in a less priority-based metagame)
- Mega Mewtwo Y (stab Psystrike/Psycho Boost and insane Special Attack to fire off coverage from, Speed is also almost unmatched. In Pure Hackmons non-Wonder Guard MMY is fine but not amazing because it’s vulnerable to revenging, but if -ates we’re to be removed I’m not sure a Pokemon as strong/fast as MMY would be healthy. Might have trouble with Imposter-proofing but I’m sure it could be done)
- Shedinja (in theory is centralizing to an unhealthy degree - unlike in Gen 7 BH, there are no Mold Breaker moves, forcing offensive Pokemon to resort to residual damage from specific attacks like Magma Storm/Infestation, Mold Breaker, or hazards/Sand support/status to take it down (as far as I know). In Gen 7 Shedinja is healthy because counterplay isn’t as specific to it and it helps with other insane damage-dealers in the metagame, but from what I know taking Shedinja down in Gen 6 requires too specific an effort (2/3 of the samples atm have a Mold Breaker + Pursuit user). I personally think that lowering the offensive power level to a level where a restrictor like Shedinja is unnecessary for the health of the metagame is the way to go)
latios/soul dew (overpowers everything in ph without offensive counterplay, probably the same here especially bc psystrike + special dragon move)
- Soul Dew/Mega Latios (might hit too hard for a non-Choiced Pokemon, not sure what would wall Tinted Lens/Adaptability/Pixilate or any other potentially viable sets. Difficulty to Imposter-proof might save it though, even if Imposter loses out on the damage amp from Soul Dew)

Potential Unbans:

Maybe?

- Assist (my experience with Assist is that it is really only overbearing when the user has an Ability that really abuses it or the move it is calling (the most notable being Prankster). And as far as I know the only Pokemon that genuinely breaks Assist (pre-Revival Blessing) is Primal Groudon, which can’t make use of Prankster or a damage-boosting Ability here assuming Thousand Arrows is called. V-create could be usable, but at that point you might as well just use the actual move because you can actually run other non-phasing/protection moves and you can Imposter-proof with a fat Dragon-type either way. An Assist ban feels redundant to me, though I haven’t tried Assist on anything besides Primal Groudon-centered teams so I could be wrong)
- Primal Kyogre (I know this was banned via suspect test but I highly doubt this is broken, especially without sleep support - as far as I know 3 suspects were occurring at the same time. Assuming it isn’t, it probably would actually be a net positive for the metagame as it would soft check special mons in general more effectively than base Kyogre would (and it isn’t Secret Sword weak, though it takes a ton from unboosted Psystrike Latios). Again I could be wrong though)
- Remove 2AC eventually (this feels like a bandaid measure to promote a degree of balance, though it wouldn’t be needed if steps were made with balance rather than preserving as much as possible at the cost of playability. No disrespect towards the leaders of the day, from what I know the general sentiment was different when ORAS was current gen)

Again, keep in mind that I have no direct Gen 6 BH experience (or much BH experience in general) and these are just my takes after having seen the samples/viability rankings/part of the thread.

 

[longhiep341]

Disclaimer: I originally planned to post this alongside many other team dumps/meta thoughts of main OMs on the gen 8 threads shortly after Circuit Playoffs. However, things happened, the posts I wanted to write were pretty long and I was already behind on gen 9. After that, the biggest disaster happened and I accidentally deleted my teams without backup. With the SS OM tour come to light however, I figured it's time to restart the effort I put in 7 months ago (This started in my sandbox on Jan 1st), especially when this BH post was almost done but I couldn't find the motivation to finish it. I might not be able to finish all the other posts and just dump teams instead. However, at the very least I feel like I might try to scavenge the lost teams, either through memory, past PM or replays. This post is currently incomplete (only the table though), but the only way I can get my body to finish this is to post this version and fill in the details later.

Gen 8 BH meta has pretty much settled, although I think there are still rooms for some creativity.

I made this as my first team. Looking at it now, it just gets 6-0ed by Shift Gear Ho-Oh so I don't think I will use it without adjustments (Probably changing Groudon to Suicune or Fini). But the idea at the time was I saw very few Mewtwo and thought it was pretty cool to build around. Photon Geyser 2HKOs most Scales mons, Secret Sword for RegenVest Dialga and Ice Beam for Zygod. NDM was something that can utilize Unburden with Psychic Terrain, which also somewhat improofs itself with Poltergeist, though Poltergeist doesn't really outdamage Glacial Lance that much so Chansey should be chipped a bit ideally. Yveltal improofs Mewtwo pretty well and can also catch mons like Pixilate Xerneas off guard with Metal Burst. Depending on opposition, Knock Off can be used more mindlessly to remove Imposter's item, AV to pave the way for Mewtwo but against matchups where NDM is more likely to clean with Poltergeist than Mewtwo can break (like against Lunala), then Knock Off should be used sparingly. Groudon punishes RegenVest, allowing Mewtwo to beat RegenVest with just one switch-in, and also can switch in against Regigigas in an emergency. It also beats Zama without pivot by taking any ability from it I guess but that's rare.

This is a pretty wack offense build, but it has put in good work for me so far. Yveltal is like those Acupressure receiver except it tries to do things by itself, which can work because of the surprise factor while also dunking any non-Haze Prankster without using Imprison, which gives it some more rooms to do stuffs. It can also punish Nuzzle as well which is pretty cool. However, Zamazenta and Xerneas are definitely big roadblocks for it since they can take a Power Trip after No Retreat. Solgaleo baits Zamazenta in and takes it down with Final Gambit while also catching Ho-Oh off guard. Zamazenta improofs the set pretty well by forcing the Imposter to Final Gambit. While it can't actually touch Xerneas, Swords Dance means it won't really dare switch in, and even if it does Zama only needs to wear it down for Yveltal, keeping it low with Magic Bounce. Xerneas thus can keep offensive pressure and clears hazards at the same time. Lunala's set is pretty typical. Eternatus is where I'm most unsure of. Final Gambit and Rock are very useful but I have never clicked Screens even once, so there are rooms for improvement for sure.

I had my eyes on Rayquaza as a mixed attacker. Palkia for once is more prepped for, so I figure I can go with this Ray set, which isn't as powerful but doesn't rely on hazard removal as much. Brave Bird's PP also ensures it outlasts all variants of Zam. I wanted the HARDEST improof for it, which was how Diancie was born. It also does deal with some Pokemon like non-Blades Gigas, Ho-Oh and KO Xerneas if it switches in against Ray to Strength Sap so it's not exactly a dead slot. I just jampacked the rest of the team with defense core to support it, which might not be the best but I was confident that Ray could break anything so I was fine with some passivity.

Trick Room might not be the most viable archetype in BH, but with how rampant Nuzzle spam became, it might have a place, and it's not a matchup fish either because literally every team has at least some form of Para spreading. Guts Band Gigas with Facade makes sure it can eradicate any Pokemon, and it needs no improof when Imposter deals no damage without Band and Guts. Caly is the secondary breaker, which is improofed nicely by Mag while still breaking opposing PrimSea Mag since only Band Glacial 2HKOs. However, setting Trick Room can get complicated, as it's essentially giving opponents 2 free turns if they see it coming, so just running TR/Teleport/Recovery just gives some free boosts/hazards if they have ways to deal with the breakers under TR, like priority, Sub or just straight up nuking the setters and getting predictions correctly. That's not to mention using Imposter or other ways to directly mess with setting TR. Therefore, I found running some more defensive presence can mitigate some of these, though towards the end with the meta shaping I guess you could get away with having one extra setter and one breaker like Marowak-A.

I was never able to finish this team, since there are many factors that can thwart FEAR's game plan. Primal weathers, Magic Guard, entry hazards and Ghost-types are without a doubt the biggest threats, which makes it kinda hard to cover all of them. Of course, multi-hit moves are also instant loss unless Prankster DBond, which just further worsens other mu. In the end, I think it's still possible to come up with a semi viable FEAR build, but you will have to accept bad mu.

This team is pretty unoptimal without anything special, except the Yveltal I guess which happened when I tried looking for some unique ways to improof, but isn't that good anyway.

A result of exploring, I felt like Tyranitar had enough merits for something like Magic Guard, especially with something like Sticky Barb. It threatens most common MG user in Ho-Oh. It also doesn't need Trick since Knock Off already allows a foe to get it by making contact. However, it does require a good prediction to work, as it can easily get forced out by many types. That's why Zama has Knock Off to target mons that TTar can't stay in against. TTar kinda loses some of its defensive value with PrimSea Zama already keeping Deso Ho-Oh and non Blades Gigas in check so I guess this team might not be the best. I haven't used this though so who knows.

Nothing really special, I just wanted to finish Steely Desire idea I initially had but after that other people already explored that before I put my hands on BH. Zama's 248 SpD EVs ensure it's OHKOed by +4 Earth Power from Eternatus.

Dragon and Ghost is a lethal combo, pretty much covering everything at least neutrally. The mixed moveset also handles FurScales, while any attack clicked dents Imposter heavily. Chansey is a natural partner to improof, which also improofs Xerneas. Bounce Ho-Oh pressures opposing Xern and also provides para for Gira. Cele deals with Ho-Oh and Etern. Zama deals with no V-Create Gigas.

I did have some other ideas that I never finished, but probably not as optimal as others. I think some kind of trapper can succeed here even without Impform, which is my favorite playstyle. Anchor Shot + Encore for example can stall out of PP. Beyond that though, gen 8 BH doesn't have as many viable Pokemon as gen 7, so it's understandable that it isn't as diverse. Regigigas is definitely the strongest Pokemon in the meta right now, with Xerneas being slightly behind. With different sets that can cover pretty much different things, like Dragon Tail to force out Fur Coat Giratina or Core Enforcer users in general while also gaining free turns or just Nuzzle to spread para, Regigigas essentially always makes progress while providing utility at the same time. Xerneas is also a wallbreaker, but its role of being an offensive spinner shone more towards the end. After that, pretty much everything else revolves around those mons. The unique Imposter part also means that when crafting new sets it might be better to go with Improof first before thinking what can utilize the set well. So here I lay out some ideas that I came up with that I think is the closest to viable (that hasn't been done or common yet).

NOTE: INCOMPLETE. WILL TRY TO FINISH

Improof	Strengths	Weaknesses	Abusers
Bulletproof		Almost no defensive utility aside from taking Sludge Bomb.
			Terrain attacks
			Guts
Intimidate	Deals with physical Moldy moves and ability. (Kart and Kyu-B mostly)	Way worse Fur Coat	Kart and Kyu-B, maybe NDM
Shadow Shield	Tough to wall	Mostly outclassed by FurScales, absence of necessary abuser	Slow, mixed attacker (However there aren't really any that fit the bill)
Thick Fat		Very niche, hard to see a situation where a Fire/Water improof or Fur Coat isn't better	Physical attacker with Glacial Lance and V-Create
			Unburden
			Harvest/Recycle + Leppa
Wandering Spirit/Mummy
			Unseen Fist
			Anger Point
			Klutz
			FEAR
			Marowak-A
Rocky Helmet/Other contact things		Hard to deal with opposing Rocky Helmet, unless you run Sticky Hold which is unviable.	Multihit moves with Technician
Full Incense
Sticky Barb
Safety Goggles		The prevalence of Poison Heal and even a pivot makes it hard to actually utilize, no other utility	Magic Powder, Poison Powder
			Ring Target
Normalize Spectral Thief
			Belch
Imprison
			Charge moves