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Welcome to the Anything Goes Old Gens Hub. This thread is intended to be a resource for new and experienced players hoping to journey into previous generations of Anything Goes. This thread currently contains resources from Generations 6 (ORAS), 7 (USUM), and 8 (SS).

The main goal of this thread is to act as a resource; however, discussion on previous generations of AG is permitted as well. This resource may help in future multi-generation tournaments or just for casual tournaments held within the Anything Goes Showdown chatroom.

Please try to keep discussion civil and on topic. Additionally, please, no one-liner posts.

Directory:
Generation 4 (DPP)
Generation 6 (ORAS)
Generation 7 (USUM)
Generation 8 (SS)
 
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Generation 6: ORAS

Information

ORAS AG Metagame Discussion
ORAS AG Resource Thread
Anything Goes Creation Reasoning

Articles
The Creation of Anything Goes
Baton Pass in Anything Goes
Copy Paste: Breaking the Species Clause in Anything Goes
AG: Don't Use That, Use This!
AG Spotlight: Mega Rayquaza
AG Spotlight: Xerneas
Gen 7 AG Predictions

Sample Teams
Deoxys-S Hyper Offense by Thimo


Excadrill Hyper Offense by The Gunner


FlyingSpam Balance by Chloe


Mega Diancie Stall by Skooma



Subranks are ordered alphabetically.

S Rank

S

:rayquaza-mega: Rayquaza-Mega
:arceus: Arceus
:xerneas: Xerneas

A Rank

A+

:darkrai: Darkrai
:groudon-primal: Groudon-Primal
:arceus: Arceus-Ground
:arceus: Arceus-Fairy
:arceus: Arceus-Steel

A
:arceus: Arceus-Rock
:ho-oh: Ho-Oh
:arceus:Arceus-Water
:yveltal: Yveltal
:gengar-mega: Gengar-Mega

A-
:giratina: Giratina
:klefki: Klefki

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B Rank

B+

:arceus: Arceus-Ghost
:deoxys-speed: Deoxys-Speed
:ferrothorn: Ferrothorn
:kyogre-primal: Kyogre-Primal
:lugia: Lugia
:sableye-mega: Sableye-Mega
:skarmory: Skarmory

B
:arceus: Arceus-Poison
:blissey: Blissey
:clefable: Clefable
:deoxys-attack: Deoxys-Attack
:mewtwo: Mewtwo
:mewtwo-mega-x: Mewtwo-Mega-X

B-
:arceus: Arceus-Dark
:diancie-mega: Diancie-Mega
:ditto: Ditto
:excadrill: Excadrill
:giratina-origin: Giratina-Origin
:groudon: Groudon
:mewtwo-mega-y: Mewtwo-Mega-Y

C Rank

C+

:arceus: Arceus-Dragon
:bronzong: Bronzong
:chansey: Chansey
:dialga: Dialga
:shedinja: Shedinja
:shuckle: Shuckle
:smeargle: Smeargle
:tyranitar: Tyranitar

C
:arceus: Arceus-Fighting
:gliscor: Gliscor
:gothitelle: Gothitelle
:jirachi: Jirachi
:kyogre: Kyogre
:landorus-therian: Landorus-Therian
:quagsire: Quagsire
:scolipede: Scolipede

C-
:breloom: Breloom
:genesect: Genesect
:terrakion: Terrakion
:zekrom: Zekrom

D Rank

D

:cloyster: Cloyster
:kyurem-white: Kyurem-White
:tyranitar-mega: Tyranitar-Mega
:wobbuffet: Wobbuffet

Baton Pass Rank
:blaziken: Blaziken
:drifblim: Drifblim
:espeon: Espeon
:mew: Mew
:mr-mime: Mr. Mime
:vaporeon: Vaporeon
 
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Generation 7: USUM

Information

USUM AG Resource Thread
USUM AG Metagame Discussion

Projects
Break My Team
AG Break My Team Season 2
AG Matchmaking
AG Victim Of The Week
Top 5 Titans of AG
AG Next Best Thing

Sample Teams

CM Steelceus HO by Will
:Rayquaza-Mega::Arceus::Yveltal::Xerneas::Arceus::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:

Shuckle Webs by Zenithial
:Shuckle::Groudon-Primal::Xerneas::Yveltal::Rayquaza-Mega::Arceus:

Band Ray Hazard Stack by Icemaster
:Arceus-Poison::Arceus-Water::Arceus-Dark::Marshadow::Ferrothorn::Rayquaza-Mega:

Gengar + DD Zygarde by Zenithial
:Gengar-Mega::Zygarde-Complete::Groudon-Primal::Yveltal::Arceus-Water::Arceus-Poison:

DD Ray + CM Ultra Necrozma Bulky Offense by Icemaster
:Rayquaza-Mega::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Arceus-Dark::Arceus-Ground::Groudon-Primal::Ho-Oh:

DD Ray + Primal Kyogre by Zenithial
:Rayquaza-Mega::Kyogre-Primal::Zygarde-Complete::Arceus-Fairy::Arceus-Dark::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:

Band Mega Rayquaza + SD NDM Balance by Skarph
:Rayquaza-Mega::Groudon-Primal::Marshadow::Arceus-Fairy::Arceus-Dark::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:

S Rank

S Rank


:rayquaza-mega: Rayquaza-Mega

S- Rank

:gengar-mega: Gengar-Mega
:groudon-primal: Groudon-Primal

A Rank

A+ Rank


:arceus::pixie-plate: Arceus-Fairy
:marshadow: Marshadow
:necrozma-dusk-mane: Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
:necrozma-ultra: Necrozma-Ultra

A Rank

:arceus::dread-plate: Arceus-Dark
:arceus::earth-plate: Arceus-Ground
:ho-oh: Ho-Oh
:zygarde-complete: Zygarde

A- Rank

:arceus::toxic-plate: Arceus-Poison
:arceus::iron-plate: Arceus-Steel
:arceus::splash-plate: Arceus-Water
:celesteela: Celesteela
:ferrothorn: Ferrothorn
:kyogre-primal: Kyogre-Primal
:xerneas: Xerneas

B Rank

B+ Rank


:arceus: Arceus
:deoxys-speed: Deoxys-Speed
:skarmory: Skarmory
:smeargle: Smeargle
:yveltal: Yveltal

B Rank

:arceus::stone-plate: Arceus-Rock
:giratina: Giratina
:lunala: Lunala
:mewtwo: Mewtwo
:mewtwo-mega-y: Mewtwo-Mega-Y
:sableye-mega: Sableye-Mega
:tyranitar: Tyranitar
:vivillon: Vivillon

B- Rank

:arceus::draco-plate: Arceus-Dragon
:arceus::sky-plate: Arceus-Flying
:chansey: Chansey
:deoxys-attack: Deoxys-Attack
:gothitelle: Gothitelle
:lugia: Lugia
:tapu-lele: Tapu Lele

C Rank

C Rank


:arceus::spooky-plate: Arceus-Ghost
:arceus::meadow-plate: Arceus-Grass
:blissey: Blissey
:ditto: Ditto
:excadrill: Excadrill
:mewtwo-mega-x: Mewtwo-Mega-X
:naganadel: Naganadel
:shuckle: Shuckle
:toxapex: Toxapex

D Rank

D Rank


:aerodactyl: Aerodactyl
:arceus::zap-plate: Arceus-Electric
:dialga: Dialga
:giratina-origin: Giratina-Origin
:gliscor: Gliscor
:kyogre: Kyogre
:magearna: Magearna
:necrozma-dawn-wings: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
:shedinja: Shedinja
:tyranitar-mega: Tyranitar-Mega

This rank is for Pokemon viable only on completely Baton Pass oriented teams. They are not relevant for any other strategy. Pokemon viable on Baton Pass and non-Baton Pass teams are ranked as normal above.

:blaziken: Blaziken
:drifblim: Drifblim
:eevee: Eevee
:espeon: Espeon
:gliscor: Gliscor
:krookodile: Krookodile
:lopunny-mega: Lopunny-Mega
:mr.-mime: Mr. Mime
:scolipede: Scolipede
:vaporeon: Vaporeon
:whimsicott: Whimsicott
:zoroark: Zoroark
 

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Generation 8: SS

Information

SS AG Resource Thread
SS AG Metagame Discussion
SS AG Team Bazaar and Showcase

Projects
Top 10 Titans of the Gen 8 AG Metagame
Anything Goes Tutoring
SS AG Core Ladder Challenge
Next Best Thing
Teambuilding Competition
Victim of The Week
What's Their Last?
Break This Team
Player Of The Week
Anything Goes Frontier

Team Tournaments
AGPL II [won by the Salt Mining Sableyes]
AG Snake I [won by the Malding Mandibuzzes]
AGPL III [won by the Lottery Laprases]
AG Snake II [won by the Headstrong Hydreigons]
AGPL IV [won by the Lion's Den]

Sample Teams

Calm Mind Kyogre + RestTalk Zacian Balance by Icemaster
:kyogre::eternatus::necrozma-dusk-mane::yveltal::zacian-crowned::ditto:

Sticky Webs Hyper Offense by Icemaster
:galvantula::eternatus::necrozma-dusk-mane::yveltal::calyrex-shadow::kyogre:

Dual Xerneas Offense by Icemaster
:calyrex-shadow::eternatus::necrozma-dusk-mane::yveltal::xerneas::xerneas:

Calm Mind Kyogre Balance by Skooma
:kyogre::eternatus::necrozma-dusk-mane::yveltal::ferrothorn::ditto:

LO Zygarde BO by baconeatinassassin
:zygarde-complete: :kyogre: :necrozma-dusk-mane: :eternatus: :yveltal: :calyrex-shadow:

Groudon Kyogre Balance by baconeatinassassin
:groudon: :ditto: :kyogre: :yveltal: :eternatus: :necrozma-dusk-mane:

LO Yveltal BO by Fc and lotiasite
:necrozma-dusk-mane: :yveltal: :eternatus: :ho-oh: :zacian-crowned: :kyogre:

SS AG Council:
SS AG Ranking Tier List

S Rank [ordered by viability]

S


:yveltal: Yveltal
:necrozma-dusk-mane: Necrozma-DM
:calyrex-shadow: Calyrex-S
:zacian-crowned: Zacian-C
:eternatus: Eternatus

S-

:kyogre: Kyogre
:ditto: Ditto

A Rank [ordered by viability]

A+


:xerneas: Xerneas
:ho-oh: Ho-Oh
:zygarde-complete: Zygarde-C
:groudon: Groudon

A

:ferrothorn: Ferrothorn

A-

:galvantula: Galvantula
:landorus-therian: Landorus-T
:zekrom: Zekrom
:marshadow: Marshadow

B Rank [ordered alphabetically]

B+


Nothing!

B

:blissey: Blissey
:lunala: Lunala

B-

:gothitelle: Gothitelle
:tyranitar: Tyranitar

C Rank [ordered alphabetically]

C+


:butterfree: Butterfree
:dracovish: Dracovish
:kyurem-white: Kyurem-W
:regieleki: Regieleki
:toxapex: Toxapex
:urshifu: Urshifu

C

:dialga: Dialga
:giratina: Giratina
:giratina-origin: Giratina-Origin
:mewtwo: Mewtwo
:quagsire: Quagsire
:shedinja: Shedinja
:slurpuff: Slurpuff
:tangrowth: Tangrowth

C-

:pheromosa: Pheromosa

D Rank [ordered alphabetically]

D


:calyrex-ice: Calyrex-I
:cloyster: Cloyster
:darmanitan-galar: Darmanitan-Galar
:grimmsnarl: Grimmsnarl
:kartana: Kartana
:porygon2: Porygon2
:shuckle: Shuckle
:skarmory: Skarmory
:zacian: Zacian
 
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SS VR Update! We planned one for after the gen so now with the old gens hub up here will be the first VR for SS as an old gen. If you have any nominations down the line when we do another update (much less frequently than when it was a current gen) feel free to send it here or if you have any questions / comments on the SS metagame this is now the place with it being in the past.

Rises:
:ho-oh: A --> A+
:landorus-therian: B+ --> A-
:urshifu: C+ --> B-
:giratina: :regieleki: C --> B-
:toxapex: C- --> C+
:dialga: D --> C
:galvantula: D --> B+
:kartana: UR --> D
:tangrowth: UR --> C

Drops:

:calyrex-shadow: S+ --> S
:kyogre: S --> S-
:zygarde-complete: S --> A+
:gothitelle: A --> B+
:marshadow: A --> A-
:lunala: A- --> B
:blissey: B+ --> B
:slurpuff: B+ --> C+
:dracovish: B --> D
:giratina-origin: B --> C
:calyrex-ice: :excadrill: :grimmsnarl: B- --> D
:mewtwo: B- --> C
:kyurem-white: C+ --> C
:rayquaza: C+ --> D
:zacian: :shuckle: C+ --> C-
:chansey: C --> UR
:cloyster: :darmanitan-galar: C --> D
:kyurem-black: C- --> UR
:heatran: :lycanroc: :tapu-fini: D --> UR
 

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I've been playing lots of SS AG recently. Here's what I have been cooking.

Drops:
Remove S+: I don't believe Yveltal is much better than everything else in S such that there should be a seperate S rank.

Yveltal > Zacian or NDM is wrong they are on the same level. Yveltal isn't him.

:Gothitelle: B+ -> C: it's not very usable, it's a fraud

:Groudon: A+ -> A, Bro think he's on the team

:Landorus-Therian: A- to B+, the VR council really thought they could sneak this one in

Rises:

:Xerneas: A+ -> S-: Best sweeper in the game. Forces Dynamax without dynamaxing itself, is impossible to 1v1 with the use of dynamax on both sides, has good defensive utility. Can completely flip some HO MUs by itself. Only downside is when you use him you have to completely commit

:Galvantula: B+-> A, every serious SS AG player respects this Pokémon in the builder. He is the fourth most influential threat. Give him some respect.

:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: S- -> 1st in S: DD defensive and Lum are OP. Don't use stealth rock, mega rayquaza doesn't exist

:Ditto: A+ -> S-, Ditto is him. Are there plans to rank Pokémon in subranks? Can we get some word on this baconeatinassassin Fc lotiasite Will Seldanna?
 
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I've been playing lots of SS AG recently. Here's what I have been cooking.

Drops:
Remove S+: I don't believe Yveltal is much better than everything else in S such that there should be a seperate S rank.

Yveltal > Zacian or NDM is wrong they are on the same level. Yveltal isn't him.

:Gothitelle: B+ -> C: it's not very usable, it's a fraud

:Groudon: A+ -> A, Bro think he's on the team

:Landorus-Therian: A- to B+, the VR council really thought they could sneak this one in

Rises:

:Xerneas: A+ -> S-: Best sweeper in the game. Forces Dynamax without dynamaxing itself, is impossible to 1v1 with the use of dynamax on both sides, has good defensive utility. Can completely flip some HO MUs by itself. Only downside is when you use him you have to completely commit

:Galvantula: B+-> A, every serious SS AG player respects this Pokémon in the builder. He is the fourth most influential threat. Give him some respect.

:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: S- -> 1st in S: DD defensive and Lum are OP. Don't use stealth rock, mega rayquaza doesn't exist

:Ditto: A+ -> S-, Ditto is him. Are there plans to rank Pokémon in subranks? Can we get some word on this baconeatinassassin Fc lotiasite Will Seldanna?
Hey Icemaster. Thanks for your post. I'd like to say that after my recent endeavors in SS AG, I would like to cosign this post. I agree with these changes.

On another note, Icemaster the AG Team Bazaar has just dropped. Could we get an update on Icemaster Annihilape and Icemaster Cyclizar?
Much appreciated, and have a beautiful day.
 

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Generation 7: USUM

Information

USUM AG Resource Thread
USUM AG Metagame Discussion

Projects
Break My Team
AG Break My Team Season 2
AG Matchmaking
AG Victim Of The Week
Top 5 Titans of AG
AG Next Best Thing

Sample Teams

CM Steelceus HO by Will
:Rayquaza-Mega::Arceus::Yveltal::Xerneas::Arceus::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:

Shuckle Webs by Zenithial
:Shuckle::Groudon-Primal::Xerneas::Yveltal::Rayquaza-Mega::Arceus:

Band Ray Hazard Stack by Icemaster
:Arceus-Poison::Arceus-Water::Arceus-Dark::Marshadow::Ferrothorn::Rayquaza-Mega:

Gengar + DD Zygarde by Zenithial
:Gengar-Mega::Zygarde-Complete::Groudon-Primal::Yveltal::Arceus-Water::Arceus-Poison:

DD Ray + CM Ultra Necrozma Bulky Offense by Icemaster
:Rayquaza-Mega::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Arceus-Dark::Arceus-Ground::Groudon-Primal::Ho-Oh:

DD Ray + Primal Kyogre by Zenithial
:Rayquaza-Mega::Kyogre-Primal::Zygarde-Complete::Arceus-Fairy::Arceus-Dark::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:

Band Mega Rayquaza + SD NDM Balance by Skarph
:Rayquaza-Mega::Groudon-Primal::Marshadow::Arceus-Fairy::Arceus-Dark::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:

Note: S through A- rank are ordered by viability.

S Rank

S Rank


Rayquaza-Mega

S- Rank

Necrozma-Ultra
Groudon-Primal

A Rank

A+ Rank


Zygarde-Complete
Marshadow
Gengar-Mega
Ho-Oh

A Rank

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Arceus-Ground
Arceus-Fairy
Arceus-Dark
Arceus-Water

A- Rank

Ferrothorn
Arceus-Poison
Xerneas
Kyogre-Primal
Arceus-Steel
Arceus
Celesteela

B Rank

B+ Rank


Lunala
Skarmory
Smeargle
Tyranitar
Yveltal

B Rank

Arceus-Rock
Chansey
Giratina
Gothitelle
Lugia
Mewtwo
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Sableye-Mega
Vivillon

B- Rank

Arceus-Flying
Deoxys-Speed
Ditto
Excadrill
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Naganadel
Shuckle

C Rank

C Rank


Arceus-Dragon
Arceus-Ghost
Arceus-Grass
Blissey
Deoxys-Attack
Gliscor
Kyogre
Magearna
Toxapex

D Rank

D Rank


Aerodactyl
Arceus-Electric
Dialga
Giratina-Origin
Heatran
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Shedinja
Tyranitar-Mega

This rank is for Pokemon viable only on completely Baton Pass oriented teams. They are not relevant for any other strategy. Pokemon viable on Baton Pass and non-Baton Pass teams are ranked as normal above.

:blaziken: Blaziken
:drifblim: Drifblim
:eevee: Eevee
:espeon: Espeon
:gliscor: Gliscor
:krookodile: Krookodile
:lopunny-mega: Lopunny-Mega
Mr. Mime
:scolipede: Scolipede
:vaporeon: Vaporeon
:whimsicott: Whimsicott
:zoroark: Zoroark
I've been playing lots of USUM AG recently. Here's what I have been cooking.

Drops:

:Zygarde-Complete: A+ -> A: it's not on the level of Marshadow.
:Arceus-Water: A -> A-, no, it just has major 4mss and its judgment type is just not that good. I APPRECIATE it resists NDM but that's not that amazing.

Rises:
:Arceus-Ground: A -> A+, It's a very good progress maker and defensive pokemon. Hits PDon hard so usually wins the hazard war.
:Arceus-Fairy: A -> A+, It's a vital pokemon to the metagame more so than zygarde or the other arceuses except for groundceus. Resists Marshadow and OHKOs MRay and UDM

The lower ranks are slightly inaccurate but I will leave it up to the council members to work on this. Is this on the itinerary? Skarph pdt Will pichus Seldanna Geysers Silent Mobius Zenithial Sitonai Skooma baconeatinassassin Catalystic? Thank you for your time.

Hey Icemaster. Thanks for your post. I'd like to say that after my recent endeavors in SS AG, I would like to cosign this post. I agree with these changes.

On another note, Icemaster the AG Team Bazaar has just dropped. Could we get an update on Icemaster Annihilape and Icemaster Cyclizar?
Much appreciated, and have a beautiful day.
Hi PinkDragonTamer. I am glad you agreed with my post and cosign my changes. Seeing your response after receiving lots of hate for my post (9 Hahas) shows me that making these contributions is still worth it, even if few will truly understand.

Thank you for letting me know that the AG Team Bazaar just dropped. I have made a contribution. Please check it out here. There, I have posted further information about Icemaster Annihilape and Icemaster Cyclizar - do let me know if it is sufficient.

Also it appears some of the Viability Councillors have been banned, specifically Skooma. Do you know what happened here? Please do let me know.

Have a nice day,
Icemaster
 
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It's been a minute since we've seen any action in terms of ORAS resources but I have recently been asked to join the ORAS council so we've been able to get you guys a new ORAS VR Update (new sample teams hopefully coming soon too)! Huge thanks to Icemaster and MZ for helping me with the ranks and Guard for helping with organising and compiling everything. If you have any nominations or changes for the next update (it'll be a while before that happens though) feel free to send it here or if you have any questions / comments on the tier feel free to use this thread to keep our favourite metagame's discussions going.

Rises:
:arceus-fairy: (Fairy) A --> A+
:arceus-ground: (Ground) A --> A+
:arceus-steel: (Steel) A- --> A+
:giratina: B+ --> A-
:ferrothorn: B --> B+
:mewtwo-mega-x: C+ --> B
:ditto: C+ --> B-
:arceus-dark: (Dark) C --> B-
:tyranitar: C --> C+
:bronzong: C- --> C+
:shedinja: C- --> C+
:landorus-therian: C- --> C
:gliscor: D --> C

Drops:

:darkrai: S --> A+
:gengar-mega: A+ --> A
:arceus-ghost: (Ghost) A- --> B+
:kyogre-primal: A- --> B+
:skarmory: A- --> B+
:lugia: A- --> B+
:clefable: B+ --> B
:mewtwo: B+ --> B
:diancie-mega: B+ --> B-
:giratina-origin: B --> B-
:groudon: B --> B-
:chansey: B --> C+
:arceus-dragon: (Dragon) B- --> C+
:smeargle: B- --> C+
:quagsire: B --> C
:jirachi: B- --> C
:kyogre: B- --> C
:gothitelle: C+ --> C
:genesect: C+ --> C-
:terrakion: C --> C-
:amoonguss: D --> UR
:salamence-mega: D --> UR
 
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Hi, we have also decided to revamp the USUM AG VR after this year's AGPL. Thank you Fc, Icemaster, baconeatinassassin, Will, Andyboy, and MZ for helping out with voting. Here's the SLATE with the results. The OP has been updated to reflect the changes, and a sample team update is hopefully coming sometime soon too. As always, feel free to ask questions ~

RISES

:gengar-mega: from A+ to S-
:arceus::pixie-plate: from A to A+
:necrozma-dusk-mane: from A to A+
:deoxys-speed: from B- to B+
:arceus::draco-plate: from C to B-
:deoxys-attack: from C to B-
:tapu-lele: from UR to B-

DROPS

:necrozma-ultra: from S- to A+
:ho-oh: from A+ to A
:zygarde-complete: from A+ to A
:arceus::splash-plate: from A to A-
:arceus: from A- to B+
:lunala: from B+ to B
:tyranitar: from B+ to B
:chansey: from B to B-
:gothitelle: from B to B-
:lugia: from B to B-
:ditto: from B- to C
:excadrill: from B- to C
:mewtwo-mega-x: from B- to C
:naganadel: from B- to C
:shuckle: from B- to C
:gliscor: from C to D
:kyogre: from C to D
:magearna: from C to D
:heatran: from D to UR
 

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Hey, I checked out the new VR changes for Gens 6 and 7 Anything Goes and feel they're pretty neat. I know I'm not a well-known tours player for AG but I've been actively involved in the community for a while and have played a lot of both throughout time. Over thousands of battles for each, I swear. Based on my experience, I have a few suggestions for the Gen 6 VR I think people will see where I'm coming from.

Actually, I have just two.

:darkrai: A+ --> S-
:groudon-primal: A+ -> S-

Both of these have been meta-defining Pokemon for many years and are certainly a step above Arceus-Fairy/Ground/Steel in terms of consistent usability and overall dominance in the metagame. They're not on the level of Xerneas/Arceus (base)/Mega Ray but they're great enough in the game to be very notable as they are some of the main threats in the game you NEED immediate answers for by their presence unless you're letting them take over the game. Primal Groudon has an insane amount of sets it can utilize and is one of the most extremely splashable Pokemon in the metagame, while Darkrai forces everyone to run Lum Berry and can quickly gain control of them game if left unanswered. The Arceus variants don't quite accomplish these roles on the same level and aren't as meta-defining imo. I also believe the aforementioned traits fit into the definition of an S or S- rank Pokemon.
 

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