Gen 3 [ADV] Magnemite [GP 1/1]

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[SET]
name: Sub Status
move 1: Thunder Wave / Toxic
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: Substitute
item: Leftovers
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Magnemite’s rare Steel typing and fantastic Special Attack stat allow it to function as a powerful utility Pokemon. Thunder Wave impairs fast attackers such as Aipom, Elekid, and Growlithe, while Toxic can be used instead to cripple walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and Bayleef. Magnemite's STAB Thunderbolt threatens the tier's various Water- and Flying-types, like Pidgeotto, Delibird, Seaking, and Staryu. Thunderbolt also threatens neutral, non-special walls, such as Koffing, Shuppet, and Aron with heavy damage. Hidden Power Grass OHKOes Rhyhorn while also hitting Cubone and Chinchou. Magnemite's typing allows it to set up Substitute in front of passive walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and non-Flamethrower Koffing and status the switch-in from behind the Substitute. The EV spread allows Magnemite to avoid an OHKO from Aipom's Choice Band Brick Break while the Speed EVs let it outspeed important Pokemon like Delcatty, Cubone, and Rhyhorn.

Magnemite’s utility, defensive typing, and offensive presence allow it to fit on practically any team archetype. Offensive Pokemon like Aipom, Growlithe, and Rhyhorn appreciate Magnemite's ability to come in on passive walls, beating Lileep and Delcatty if it is running Toxic and Koffing with STAB Thunderbolt. Magnemite also completely walls Curse + Sleep Talk Grimer, which usually runs Sludge Bomb as its only attacking move. Slower offensive Pokemon like Pidgeotto, Cubone, and Castform also enjoy Thunder Wave Magnemite's capability to paralyze faster offensive threats for them. Magnemite appreciates defensive Pokemon like Koffing, Seaking, and Delcatty as switch-ins to Pokemon like Bonemerang Cubone, Growlithe, and Cyndaquil.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Grass-types such as Bayleef, Exeggcute, and Sunflora and also hit Magnemite while Hidden Power Ice can be used to also hit Lileep and still hit Ground-types. However, not being able to OHKO Rhyhorn or hit Chinchou is usually more detrimental than the benefits these Hidden Power types give. An EV spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe and a Timid nature can be used to outspeed opposing Magnemite and niche options such as Larvitar. A Modest nature and a spread of 68 HP / 204 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe or 252 HP / 32 Def / 20 SpA / 204 Spe can be used to reduce Choice Band Pidgeotto’s Double Edge to a 3HKO while still maintaining a great offensive presence.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Special Walls**: Without Toxic, Magnemite is incapable of dealing with special walls such as Delcatty and Lileep. Magnemite also cannot deal with Dustox regardless of Toxic, and Dustox’s Whirlwind prevents it from utilizing Substitute properly. In addition, Chinchou can overwhelm Magnemite with its Water STAB moves even if Magnemite uses Hidden Power Grass.

**Fighting and Ground Coverage**: Physical attacker such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Taillow normally run Fighting and Ground coverage that 2HKOes or OHKOes Magnemite. Grimer without Curse can also run Hidden Power Fighting or Ground to hit Magnemite.

**Fire Types**: Growlithe and Cyndaquil can both OHKO Magnemite with their Fire STAB moves. They also sometimes run Lum Berry, which prevents Magnemite from statusing them from behind Substitute.

**Magnet Pull**: Magnet Pull Nosepass is able to trap and OHKO Magnemite with Earthquake. Opposing Hidden Power Fire Magnemite is also capable of removing it.

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[SET]
name: Sub Status
move 1: Thunder Wave / Toxic
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power [Grass]
move 4: Substitute
item: Leftovers
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Magnemite’s rare Steel typing and fantastic Special Attack stat allow it to function as a powerful utility Pokemon. Thunder Wave is used to impair fast attackers such as Aipom, Elekid, and Growlithe, while Toxic can be used instead to cripple walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and Bayleef. Magnemite's STAB Thunderbolt is able to threaten the tier's various Water- and Flying-types such as Pidgeotto, Delibird, Seaking, and Staryu. Hidden Power Grass is primarily utilized to OHKO Rhyhorn while also hitting Cubone and Chinchou. Magnemite's typing allows it to set-up Substitute in front of passive walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and non-Flamethrower Koffing and status the swtich-in behind the sub. The EV spread allows Magnemite to not be OHKO'd by Aipom's Choice Band Brick Break while the Speed EVs let it outspeed important Pokemon like Delcatty, Cubone, and max Speed Rhyhorn.

Offensive Pokemon like Aipom, Growlithe, and Rhyhorn appreciate Magnemite's ability to come in on passive walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and Koffing and potentially crippling them if it is running Toxic. Slower offensive Pokemon like Pidgeotto, Cubone, and Castform also enjoy Thunder Wave Magnemite's capability to paralyze faster offensive threats for them. Magnemite appreciates defensive Pokemon like Koffing, Seaking, and Delcatty's being able to switch into Pokemon like Bonemerang Cubone, Growlithe, and Cyndaquil.


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Grass-types such as Bayleef, Exeggcute, and Sunflora and opposing Magnemite while Hidden power Ice can be used to also hit Lileep and still hit Ground-types. However, not OHKOing Rhyhorn and not being to hit Chinchou is usually more detrimental than the benefits the Hidden Powers give.

Magnemite has 3 Alternative EV spreads which must be talked about here. I've placed all other Mag spreads in another Hide Tag.


Checks and Counters
===================

**Special Walls**: Without Toxic, Magnemite is incapable of dealing with special walls such as Delcatty and Lileep and cannot deal with Dustox regardless of Toxic. Give Dustox its own sentence and mention its access to Whirlwind which prevents Mag from using Sub effectively.

**Fighting and Ground Coverage**: Physical attacker such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Tailow normally run Fighting and Ground coverage that has the capacity to 2HKO or OHKO Magnemite. Mention Grimer here as it can run both HP Ground and HP Fighting on Sets that lack Curse

**Fire Types**: Growlithe and Cyndaquil can both OHKO Magnemite with Fire STAB. Mention how they can sometimes run Lum which prevents Magnemite from making a trade

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[JonAmon 25, 494585]]
- Quality checked by: [[bp, 272450], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]


Quick (Magnemite) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Toxic

The Analysis Set (Magnemite) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunder Wave

cb pidge dege 3hko (Magnemite) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 68 HP / 204 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunder Wave

cb pidge dedge .4% 2hko (Magnemite) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 20 SpA / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunder Wave


This looks really good. Great Work JonAmon 25. Regarding the mag set implementation, I nicknamed them what they do. The description doesn't need to be crazy just highlight the evs and their purpose. This is QC 1/2

 
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Excellent job, I look forward to working with you in BW. QC 2/2.

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[SET]
name: Sub Status
move 1: Thunder Wave / Toxic
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power [Grass]
move 4: Substitute
item: Leftovers
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Magnemite’s rare Steel typing and fantastic Special Attack stat allow it to function as a powerful utility Pokemon. Thunder Wave is used to impair fast attackers such as Aipom, Elekid, and Growlithe, while Toxic can be used instead to cripple walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and Bayleef. Magnemite's STAB Thunderbolt is able to threaten the tier's various Water- and Flying-types such as Pidgeotto, Delibird, Seaking, and Staryu. Mention how TBolt heavily threatens neutral targets that aren't special walls such as Koffing. Hidden Power Grass is primarily utilized to OHKO Rhyhorn while also hitting Cubone and Chinchou. Magnemite's typing allows it to set-up Substitute in front of passive walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and non-Flamethrower Koffing and status the swtich-in switch-in behind the sub. The EV spread allows Magnemite to not be OHKO'd by Aipom's Choice Band Brick Break while the Speed EVs let it outspeed important Pokemon like Delcatty, Cubone, and Rhyhorn.

Magnemite’s utility, defensive typing, and offensive presence allow it to fit on practically any team archetype. Offensive Pokemon like Aipom, Growlithe, and Rhyhorn appreciate Magnemite's ability to come in on passive walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and Koffing and potentially crippling them if it is running Toxic. Since Koffing is immune to Toxic, specify how Magnemite can overwhelm it with its STAB, or replace it. Slower offensive Pokemon like Pidgeotto, Cubone, and Castform also enjoy Thunder Wave Magnemite's capability to paralyze faster offensive threats for them. Magnemite appreciates defensive Pokemon like Koffing, Seaking, and Delcatty's being able to switch into Pokemon like Bonemerang Cubone, Growlithe, and Cyndaquil.

Mention Magnemite's ability to stonewall Curse Talk Grimer.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Grass-types such as Bayleef, Exeggcute, and Sunflora and opposing Magnemite while Hidden power Ice can be used to also hit Lileep and still hit Ground-types. However, not OHKOing Rhyhorn and not being able to hit Chinchou is usually more detrimental than the benefits the Hidden Powers give. An EV spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe and a Timid nature can be used to outspeed opposing Magnemite and niche options such as Larvitar. A Modest nature and a spread of 68 HP / 204 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe or 252 HP / 32 Def / 20 SpA / 204 Spe can be used so that Choice Band Pidgeotto’s Double Edge is a 3HKO while still maintaining a great offensive presence.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Special Walls**: Without Toxic, Magnemite is incapable of dealing with special walls such as Delcatty and Lileep. Magnemite also cannot deal with Dustox regardless of Toxic and Dustox’s Whirlwind prevents it from utilizing Substitute properly. Mention Chinchou, who overwhelms Magnemite with its Water STAB despite Magnemite's ability to status it and hit it with HP Grass.

**Fighting and Ground Coverage**: Physical attackers such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Taillow normally run Fighting and Ground coverage that has the capacity to 2HKO or OHKO Magnemite. Grimer without Curse can also run Hidden Power Fighting or Ground to be able to hit Magnemite.

**Fire Types**: Growlithe and Cyndaquil can both OHKO Magnemite with Fire STAB. They also sometimes run Lum Berry, which prevents Magnemite from statusing them from behind Substitute.

Create a section for Magnet Pull including Nosepass, who can trap and remove Magnemite with Earthquake, and opposing Magnemite, who can trap and revenge kill itself.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[JonAmon 25, 494585]]
- Quality checked by: [[bp, 272450, [Gangsta Spongebob, 535530]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
 

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GP 1/1, if you're not sure how to address any comments lmk and if you have to make any big edits to do so then ping me to give it a look over before upload

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[SET]
name: Sub Status
move 1: Thunder Wave / Toxic
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Hidden Power [Grass] Grass
move 4: Substitute
item: Leftovers
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Magnemite’s rare Steel typing and fantastic Special Attack stat allow it to function as a powerful utility Pokemon. Thunder Wave is used to impairs fast attackers such as Aipom, Elekid, and Growlithe, while Toxic can be used instead to cripple walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and Bayleef. Magnemite's STAB Thunderbolt is able to threatens the tier's various Water- and Flying-types, (AC) such as (lots of "such as," consider replacing a few with "like" or such instead) Pidgeotto, Delibird, Seaking, and Staryu. Thunderbolt also threatens neutral targets that aren’t special walls, (AC) (awk phrasing but idk this tier, rephrase if you can?) such as Koffing, Shuppet, and Aron, (AC) with heavy damage. Hidden Power Grass is primarily utilized to OHKOes Rhyhorn while also hitting Cubone and Chinchou. Magnemite's typing allows it to set-up (RH, it's just "set up") Substitute in front of passive walls such as Lileep, Delcatty, and non-Flamethrower Koffing and status the switch-in from behind the Substitute sub. The EV spread allows Magnemite to not be OHKO'd by avoid an OHKO from Aipom's Choice Band Brick Break while the Speed EVs let it outspeed important Pokemon like Delcatty, Cubone, and Rhyhorn.

Magnemite’s utility, defensive typing, and offensive presence allow it to fit on practically any team archetype. Offensive Pokemon like Aipom, Growlithe, and Rhyhorn appreciate Magnemite's ability to come in on passive walls, (AC) such as Lileep, Delcatty, and Koffing (you just mentioned these prior) and potentially crippling the former beating Lileep and Delcatty if it is running Toxic and the latter Koffing with STAB Thunderbolt. Magnemite also completely walls Curse + Sleep Talk Grimer, who which usually only runs Sludge Bomb as it’s its only attacking move. Slower offensive Pokemon like Pidgeotto, Cubone, and Castform also enjoy Thunder Wave Magnemite's capability to paralyze faster offensive threats for them. Magnemite appreciates defensive Pokemon like Koffing, Seaking, and Delcatty's being able to switch into as switch-ins to Pokemon like Bonemerang Cubone, Growlithe, and Cyndaquil.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Grass-types such as Bayleef, Exeggcute, and Sunflora, (AC) and opposing Magnemite, (AC) while Hidden Power Ice can be used to also hit Lileep and still hit Ground-types. However, not OHKOing Rhyhorn and not being able to OHKO Rhyhorn or hit Chinchou is usually more detrimental than the benefits these Hidden Powers types give. An EV spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe and a Timid nature can be used to outspeed opposing Magnemite and niche options such as Larvitar. A Modest nature and a spread of 68 HP / 204 Def / 32 SpA / 204 Spe or 252 HP / 32 Def / 20 SpA / 204 Spe can be used so that Choice Band Pidgeotto’s Double Edge is a 3HKO (awkward phrasing; assuming it's a 2HKO without these spreads, go with "can be used to reduce Choice Band Pidgeotto’s Double Edge to a 3HKO) while still maintaining a great offensive presence.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Special Walls**: Without Toxic, Magnemite is incapable of dealing with special walls such as Delcatty and Lileep. Magnemite also cannot deal with Dustox regardless of Toxic, (AC) and Dustox’s Whirlwind prevents it from utilizing Substitute properly. In addition, Chinchou can overwhelm Magnemite with it’s its Water STAB moves despite being able to hit it with even if Magnemite uses Hidden Power Grass.

**Fighting and Ground Coverage**: Physical attacker such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Tailow Taillow normally run Fighting and Ground coverage that has the capacity to 2HKOes or OHKOes Magnemite. Grimer without Curse can also run Hidden Power Fighting or Ground to be able to hit Magnemite.

**Fire Types**: Growlithe and Cyndaquil can both OHKO Magnemite with their Fire STAB moves. They also sometimes run Lum Berry, which prevents Magnemite from statusing them from behind Substitute.

**Magnet Pull**: Magnet Pull Nosepass is able to trap and OHKO Magnemite with Earthquake. Opposing Hidden Power Fire Magnemite is are also capable of removing it.

[CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/jonamon-25.494585/
Quality checked by:

https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bp.272450/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/gangsta-spongebob.535530/
Grammar checked by:

https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sabelette.583793/

- Written by: [[JonAmon 25, 494585]]

- Quality checked by: [[bp, 272450], [Gangsta Spongebob, 535530]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
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