Gen 3 [ADV] CB Delibird + Other Options + Checks and Counters [DONE]

[Gangsta Spongebob]

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aerial Ace
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Quick Attack / Double-Edge / Rapid Spin
item: Choice Band
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Band Delibird's power and diverse movepool make it an effective wallbreaker, while its immunity to Spikes makes it hard to wear down, unlike Aipom. As Hustle is used to augment Delibird's power, Aerial Ace is Delibird's primary STAB attack, as it ignores Hustle's accuracy lowering effect while maintaining the power boost. Ice Beam targets Ground-types such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Hidden Power Fighting targets other Rock- and Steel-types such as Nosepass and Magnemite, and it notably 2HKOes Lileep. Delibird's last moveslot is very flexible; Quick Attack lets Delibird pick off faster threats such as Aipom and Elekid. Alternatively, Double-Edge is Delibird's strongest attack against neutral targets, threatening OHKOes on foes such as Seaking. Rapid Spin is another alternative, letting Delibird clear Spikes for its team, though it cannot do this long-term, and it can miss due to Hustle.

Choice Band Delibird best fits on offense and balance teams looking for a powerful wallbreaker. Delibird struggles against Aipom and Taillow, which can outspeed and OHKO it, so physically defensive Rock- and Steel-types such as Lileep, Nosepass, and Magnemite make great partners. Due to its Choice Band, Delibird is very easily taken advantage of by Rock- and Steel-types themselves, so checks to them are appreciated. Special wallbreakers such as Chinchou and Castform can break past them for Delibird, while bulky Poison-types such as Dustox and Koffing handle Lileep. Another special attacker, Agility Growlithe, greatly appreciates Delibird chipping its targets and removing Spikes. Koffing is also notable for its ability to wall Rhyhorn, something that can seriously punish a Choice-locked Delbird. Delibird is outsped and OHKOed by Elekid and Staryu, so special walls such as Dustox and Delcatty make great partners. Due to its access to Rapid Spin and immunity to Spikes, Delibird is a usable but unreliable spinner on Spikes-weak teams.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Focus Punch lets Delibird break through Rock- and Steel-types with ease, but a Choice-locked Focus Punch is very exploitable, while a non-Choice Band Focus Punch fails to OHKO Lileep and bulkier Rhyhorn spreads. Body Slam lets Delibird fish for paralysis, though its lower power makes it generally not worth it compared to Double-Edge and Hidden Power targeting relevant foes (remove comma) or the utility that Rapid Spin provides. Salac Berry allows Delibird to bypass its Speed issues with Substitute, though such a set struggles due to its all-or-nothing nature.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster threats**: Faster foes such as Elekid, Staryu, Aipom, and Taillow can outspeed and OHKO Delibird. While they cannot naturally outspeed Delibird, weather attackers such as Seaking and Sunflora and Speed-boosting setup sweepers such as Bagon and Growlithe can outspeed and OHKO Delibird in weather or after setting up. However, none of these threats can switch into Delibird, and many can be picked off by Quick Attack when weakened.

**Rock-types**: Delibird's 4x weakness to Rock leaves it OHKOed by practically every Rock Slide user in the tier, while many Rock-types such as Lileep, Rhyhorn, and Nosepass can tank even a super effective attack from Delibird.

**Bulky attackers**: While they cannot switch in, bulky foes like Delcatty and Castform can beat Delibird one-on-one due to its poor defensive profile. Growlithe deserves a special mention, as its ability weakens all of Delibird's attacks except Ice Beam, which it resists, and it can OHKO Delibird with its Fire-type STAB moves and even set up on it with Agility. However, it must be wary of switching into Hidden Power Ground and Choice Band Double-Edge, which still do considerable damage.

**Status**: Toxic and burn from threats such as Koffing wear down Delibird very quickly, with the latter also neutering all its attacks except Ice Beam. Paralysis leaves Delibird outsped by the entire tier, making it easily removed due to its poor defensive typing and lackluster defensive stats. However, Delibird can take advantage of status users by setting up a Substitute.

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[BP]

Check

[SET]
name: Substitute + 3 Attacks
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Aerial Ace
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power [Ground] / Hidden Power [Fighting]
item: Leftovers
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Delibird's access to Hustle coupled with its respectable offensive stats cement it as a threatening and versatile attacker. Substitute uses Delibird's offensive presence to set up and Substitute and further its wallbreaking prowess. Aerial Ace is Delibird's primary STAB attack, and notably ignores Hustle's accuracy-lowering effect while maintaining its power boost. Ice Beam targets Ground-types such as Rhyhorn and Cubone, and deals more damage to certain physical walls such as Koffing. 68 Special Attack EVs are crucial to let Delibird 2HKO Lileep after Leftovers recovery. Hidden Power Ground primarily targets Steel- and Electric-types, notably OHKOing Magnemite. Hidden Power Fighting could be used instead to target Normal-types at the cost of a worse matchup against Electric-types and one point of Speed.

Substitute Delibird best fits on Offensive teams looking for a dangerous wallbreaker. Delibird struggles the most against the Normal-type wallbreakers, Aipom, Taillow, and Pidgeotto, since they can outspeed and OHKO it, so Rock- and Steel-types such as Rhyhorn, Lileep, and Magnemite are essential partners. Elekid can also outspeed and OHKO Delibird, so special walls such as Dustox and Delcatty are appreciated. Delibird struggles to break through Rock-types such as Lileep and bulkier Rhyhorn spreads, so checks to them like Koffing are good partners.

Reword the first sentence as you mention it fits on offensive teams but later on you talk about special walls pairing well with it.

Mention Chinchou here as a partner (Chinchou is a crazy splashable mon with certain attackers thanks to its ability and coverage)

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aerial Ace
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power [Fighting]
move 4: Quick Attack / Rapid Spin / Double-Edge
item: Choice Band
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Band Delibird's power and diverse movepool make it an effective wallbreaker, while its immunity to Spikes makes it hard to wear down, unlike Aipom. As Hustle is used to augment Delibird's power, Aerial Ace is Delibird's primary STAB attack as it ignores Hustle's accuracy lowering effect while maintaining the power boost. Ice Beam targets Ground-types such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Hidden Power Fighting targets other Rock- and Steel-types such as Nosepass and Magnemite, and notably 2HKOes Lileep. Delibird's last moveslot is very flexible. Quick Attack lets Delibird pick off faster threats such as Aipom and Elekid. Alternatively, Rapid Spin lets Delibird clear Spikes for its team. Finally, Double-Edge can also be used to threaten Pokemon is Delibird's most powerful attack against threats it can't hit super effectively, such as Seaking.

I think its important to change the wording on Dedge because Quick Attack and Rapid Spin are way more useful imo in terms of revenge killing and Utility

Choice Band Delibird best fits on offensive and balance teams looking for a powerful wallbreaker. Delibird struggles against Aipom, Taillow, and Pidgeotto, who can outspeed and OHKO it, so physically defensive Rock- and Steel-types such as Lileep, Nosepass, and Magnemite make great partners. Due to its Choice Band Delibird is very easily taken advantage of by Rock- and Steel-types themselves, so checks to them are appreciated. Special wallbreakers such as Chinchou and Castform can break past them for Delibird, while bulky Poison-types such as Dustox and Koffing handle Lileep. Koffing is also notable for its ability to wall Rhyhorn, something who can seriously punish a choice-locked Delbird. Delibird is outsped and OHKOed by Elekid, so special walls such as Dustox and Delcatty make great partners. Due to its access to Rapid Spin and immunity to Spikes, Delibird is an effective Spinner to support Spikes-weak teams.

Mention Set-up Growlithe as it can remove Pokemon that CB Santa chips while also loving spikes removal.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Focus Punch lets Delibird break through Rock- and Steel-types with ease, but a choiced-locked Focus Punch is very exploitable, while a non-Choice Band Focus Punch fails to OHKO Lileep and bulkier Rhyhorn spreads. Body Slam lets Delibird fish for paralysis, though its low power makes it generally not worth it compared to the utility that Rapid Spin provides.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster threats**: Elekid, Aipom, Taillow, and Pidgeotto can outspeed and OHKO Delibird. While they cannot naturally outspeed Delibird, one they set up weather abusers sweepers such as Seaking and setup sweepers such as Bagon and Growlithe can outspeed and OHKO Delibird. However, none of these threats can switch into Delibird, and many can be picked off by Quick Attack when weakened.

Growlithe is worth a special mention as it can cripple Deli with Intim and use it as set up fodder I think its worth checking the HP ground damage from both band and regular after an intim.

**Electric-types**: Elekid and Voltorb can outspeed and OHKO Delibird with their Electric STAB. However, that cannot switch in and can be picked off by Quick Attack.

**Rock-types**: Delibird's double weakness to Rock leaves it OHKOed by practically every Rock Slide user in the tier, while many Rock-types such as Lileep, Rhyhorn, and Nosepass can tank even a super effective attack from Delibird.

**Status**: Toxic and burn from threats such as Koffing wear down Delibird very quickly, with the former also neutering all its attacks except Ice Beam. Paralysis leaves Delibird outsped by the entire tier making it easily removable due to its poor defensive typing and lack luster defensive stats. , and thus leaving it easily beaten by almost every Pokemon in the tier. However, Delibird can sometimes take advantage of status users by setting up a Substitute.

[CREDITS]
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Great Work! Santa missing Hidden Power Ground makes it hot garbage and whenever I use it I always miss.
QC 1/2

 

[Gangsta Spongebob]

Implemented and ready for the next check

 

[BeatsBlack]

add remove comment

QC

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aerial Ace
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power [Fighting]
move 4: Quick Attack / Rapid Spin / Double-Edge Swap the placement of Double-Edge and Rapid Spin
item: Choice Band
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Band Delibird's power and diverse movepool make it an effective wallbreaker, while its immunity to Spikes makes it hard to wear down, unlike Aipom. As Hustle is used to augment Delibird's power, Aerial Ace is Delibird's primary STAB attack as it ignores Hustle's accuracy lowering effect while maintaining the power boost. Ice Beam targets Ground-types such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Hidden Power Fighting targets other Rock- and Steel-types such as Nosepass and Magnemite, and notably 2HKOes Lileep. Delibird's last moveslot is very flexible. Quick Attack lets Delibird pick off faster threats such as Aipom and Elekid. Alternatively, Rapid Spin lets Delibird clear Spikes for its team. move to end While it lacks the immense utility of the other 2 attacks, Double-Edge can also be used to threaten Pokemon Delibird can't hit super effectively, such as Seaking.

Choice Band Delibird best fits on offensive and balance teams looking for a powerful wallbreaker. Delibird struggles against Aipom and Taillow, which can outspeed and OHKO it, so physically defensive Rock- and Steel-types such as Lileep, Nosepass, and Magnemite make great partners. Due to its Choice Band Delibird is very easily taken advantage of by Rock- and Steel-types themselves, so checks to them are appreciated. Special wallbreakers such as Chinchou and Castform can break past them for Delibird, while bulky Poison-types such as Dustox and Koffing handle Lileep. Another special attacker, Agility Growlithe, greatly appreciates Delibird chipping its targets and removing Spikes. Koffing is also notable for its ability to wall Rhyhorn, something who can seriously punish a choice-locked Delbird. Delibird is outsped and OHKOed by Elekid and Staryu, so special walls such as Dustox and Delcatty make great partners. Due to its access to Rapid Spin and immunity to Spikes, Delibird is an effective Spinner to support Spikes-weak teams.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Focus Punch lets Delibird break through Rock- and Steel-types with ease, but a choiced-locked Focus Punch is very exploitable, while a non-Choice Band Focus Punch fails to OHKO Lileep and bulkier Rhyhorn spreads. Body Slam lets Delibird fish for paralysis, though its low power makes it generally not worth it compared to the utility that Rapid Spin provides. Mention Salac Berry as an option on the Substitute set, giving Delibird the opportunity to bypass its speed issues.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster threats**: Elekid, Aipom, and Taillow can outspeed and OHKO Delibird. While they cannot naturally outspeed Delibird, weather abusers such as Seaking and setup sweepers such as Bagon and Growlithe can outspeed and OHKO Delibird. However, none of these threats can switch into Delibird, and many can be picked off by Quick Attack when weakened. Growlithe deserves a special mention, as it Intimidate mention

**Electric-types**: Elekid and Voltorb can outspeed and OHKO Delibird with their Electric STAB. However, that cannot switch in and can be picked off by Quick Attack. This is very similar to the previous block, so this snippet can be omitted. In its place, however, it would be worth mentioning bulky Pokémon that can stomach Delibird's hits and threaten heavily in return. This is more notable on the substitute set against Pokémon like Seaking, Castform, and Delcatty, however it's still a noticeable issue on the Choice Band set as well due to Aerial Ace's lower base power. The inability to trade blows reinforces the point about Delibird's abysmal bulk and that precaution should be taken when using it.

**Rock-types**: Delibird's double weakness to Rock leaves it OHKOed by practically every Rock Slide user in the tier, while many Rock-types such as Lileep, Rhyhorn, and Nosepass can tank even a super effective attack from Delibird.

**Status**: Toxic and burn from threats such as Koffing wear down Delibird very quickly, with the former also neutering all its attacks except Ice Beam. Paralysis leaves Delibird outsped by the entire tier making it easily removable due to its poor defensive typing and lack luster defensive stats. However, Delibird can take advantage of status users by setting up a Substitute.

[CREDITS]
Written by:
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Quality checked by:
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christmas in july, good work

QC [2/2] when implemented

 

[Gangsta Spongebob]

Implemented! GP Team

 

[Tea Guzzler]

add remove comment (ac) = add comma

delibird

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aerial Ace
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Quick Attack / Double-Edge / Rapid Spin
item: Choice Band
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive / Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Band Delibird's power and diverse movepool make it an effective wallbreaker, while its immunity to Spikes makes it hard to wear down, unlike Aipom. As Hustle is used to augment Delibird's power, Aerial Ace is Delibird's primary STAB attack, (ac) as it ignores Hustle's accuracy lowering effect while maintaining the power boost. Ice Beam targets Ground-types such as Rhyhorn and Cubone. Hidden Power Fighting targets other Rock- and Steel-types such as Nosepass and Magnemite, and it notably 2HKOes Lileep. Delibird's last moveslot is very flexible; Quick Attack lets Delibird pick off faster threats such as Aipom and Elekid. Alternatively, Double-Edge is Delibird's strongest attack against neutral targets, threatening OHKOes on foes such as Seaking. Rapid Spin is another alternative, letting Delibird clear Spikes for its team, though it cannot do this long-term, (ac) and it can miss due to Hustle.

Choice Band Delibird best fits on offensive offense and balance teams looking for a powerful wallbreaker. Delibird struggles against Aipom and Taillow, which can outspeed and OHKO it, so physically defensive Rock- and Steel-types such as Lileep, Nosepass, and Magnemite make great partners. Due to its Choice Band, (ac) Delibird is very easily taken advantage of by Rock- and Steel-types themselves, so checks to them are appreciated. Special wallbreakers such as Chinchou and Castform can break past them for Delibird, while bulky Poison-types such as Dustox and Koffing handle Lileep. Another special attacker, Agility Growlithe, greatly appreciates Delibird chipping its targets and removing Spikes. Koffing is also notable for its ability to wall Rhyhorn, something who that can seriously punish a choice-locked Choice-locked Delbird. Delibird is outsped and OHKOed by Elekid and Staryu, so special walls such as Dustox and Delcatty make great partners. Due to its access to Rapid Spin and immunity to Spikes, Delibird is a usable but unreliable Spinner spinner on Spikes-weak teams.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Focus Punch lets Delibird break through Rock- and Steel-types with ease, but a choiced-locked Choice-locked Focus Punch is very exploitable, while a non-Choice Band Focus Punch fails to OHKO Lileep and bulkier Rhyhorn spreads. Body Slam lets Delibird fish for paralysis, though its lower power makes it generally not worth it compared to Double-Edge and Hidden Power targeting relevant targets, foes (remove comma) or the utility that Rapid Spin provides. Salac Berry allows Delibird to bypass its Speed issues with Substitute, though such a set struggles due to its all-or-nothing nature.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster threats**: Faster foes such as Elekid, Staryu, Aipom, and Taillow can outspeed and OHKO Delibird. While they cannot naturally outspeed Delibird, weather abusers attackers such as Seaking and Sunflora and speed-boosting Speed-boosting setup sweepers such as Bagon and Growlithe can outspeed and OHKO Delibird after in weather or after setting up. However, none of these threats can switch into Delibird, and many can be picked off by Quick Attack when weakened.

**Rock-types**: Delibird's double 4x weakness to Rock leaves it OHKOed by practically every Rock Slide user in the tier, while many Rock-types such as Lileep, Rhyhorn, and Nosepass can tank even a super effective attack from Delibird.

**Bulky Attackers attackers**: While they cannot switch in, bulky foes like Delcatty and Castform can beat Delibird one-on-one due to its poor defensive profile. Growlithe deserves a special mention, as its ability weakens all of Delibird's attacks except Ice Beam, which it resists, and then it can OHKO Delibird with its Fire-type STAB moves and even set up on it with Agility. However, it must be wary of switching into Hidden Power Ground or and Choice Band Double-Edge, which still do considerable damage.

**Status**: Toxic and burn from threats such as Koffing wear down Delibird very quickly, with the latter also neutering all its attacks except Ice Beam. Paralysis leaves Delibird outsped by the entire tier, making it easily removed due to its poor defensive typing and lackluster defensive stats. However, Delibird can take advantage of status users by setting up a Substitute.

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Written by:
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Quality checked by:
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Grammar checked by:
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GP 1/1
GP Team done