ADV Baton Pass (again)

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The ADV council has decided to also ban the combination of Mean Look/Spider Web + Baton Pass. The combination when paired with Taunt, Spore or boosted Speed (and often more than one of these) creates scenarios that make the game non-interactive (i.e coming down to the length of sleep or a single Roar vs Attack prediction). We held a survey in the community discord that showed widespread support for this measure.

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This decision will be revisited after SPL and voters will be able to decide whether or not to keep the ban in place.

Tagging Marty Kris to implement the Mean Look/Spider Web + Baton Pass ban (either trapping move + Baton Pass cannot be on the same moveset). Sorry for tagging you guys 3 times in the past 2 weeks…

Regarding stat-passing, the council is still discussing to figure out the best steps forward. Nothing will be revisited until after SPL.
 
The ADV council has decided to also ban the combination of Mean Look/Spider Web + Baton Pass. The combination when paired with Taunt, Spore or boosted Speed (and often more than one of these) creates scenarios that make the game non-interactive (i.e coming down to the length of sleep or a single Roar vs Attack prediction). We held a survey in the community discord that showed widespread support for this measure.

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This decision will be revisited after SPL and voters will be able to decide whether or not to keep the ban in place.

Tagging Marty Kris to implement the Mean Look/Spider Web + Baton Pass ban (either trapping move + Baton Pass cannot be on the same moveset). Sorry for tagging you guys 3 times in the past 2 weeks…

Regarding stat-passing, the council is still discussing to figure out the best steps forward. Nothing will be revisited until after SPL.
1) Providing a chart with around 20 voting entries from an unofficial discord server doesn't mean much of anything to reinforce the council's claim, if anything it undermines it.

2) Post exaggerates the language used so as to make this seem to be more of a problem than it is (if the thread's title wasn't coercive enough). Smeargle's bp is the only culprit and was a side product of the recent unbans which I am not quite sure why took place immediately after the voting result. Umbreon can always be handled by the myriad of ways it was always handled up until now.

3) imo it is fine for super passive teams who opt to compromise to minimal damage output moves to have strong counterplays such as the above strat with umbreon. The tier shouldn't constantly cater to people's preferential playing styles and devolve to magdol/tss/zapdug rock-paper-scissors.

When Smeargle's bp was banned it wasn't exclusively due to belly+salac pass. If you recall correctly the council at the time also included in their deliberations more scenarios such as playtesting DD passing in chains as well as using the precedent for ingrain + bp being banned to make that decision so the restriction being lifted feels rashed here.

We need to respect the result of the vote obviously, but my personal opinion is that the unbans made following the decision (mime unban and smeargle bp unban) need to be reversed and the cases for them carefully re-examined, too many decisions were taken in quick succession and are now understandably causing collateral damage such as the above reactionary ban (i do remember a certain someone having an OCD attack about their initial ban, perhaps them playing adv in SPL this season has something to do with this decision's timing).
 
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The ADV council has decided to ban Soundproof from ADV OU. Our most recent tiering actions regarding Baton Pass freed the previously banned Mr.Mime, and its return made StatPassing chains viable and problematic for the reasons we took action in the first place. Astamatitos' recent post does a great job at explaining how they work.

Banning Soundproof over Mr.Mime is our prefered choice as it's more consistent with our precedent actions that are still in place, namely the Sand Veil ban.

We also decided for this "quick" ban as it falls in line with our previous Mr.Mime ban and doesn't alter the tier in any way, thus being a solution that should accomodate for every side of the argument we got to speak with (mostly community members on Discord and ADV council members).

We want to make it clear though that we hope this is the final action under the current ruleset to deal with Stat passing chains. In the future, should this still be an issue, the actions taken will be more severe, and we will hold a discussion on SpeedPass, StatPass or Baton Pass as a whole.

Tagging Marty and Kris to implement the Soundproof ban, thanks in advance.
 

McMeghan

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The ADV council has decided to also ban the combination of Mean Look/Spider Web + Baton Pass. The combination when paired with Taunt, Spore or boosted Speed (and often more than one of these) creates scenarios that make the game non-interactive (i.e coming down to the length of sleep or a single Roar vs Attack prediction). We held a survey in the community discord that showed widespread support for this measure.

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This decision will be revisited after SPL and voters will be able to decide whether or not to keep the ban in place.

Tagging Marty Kris to implement the Mean Look/Spider Web + Baton Pass ban (either trapping move + Baton Pass cannot be on the same moveset). Sorry for tagging you guys 3 times in the past 2 weeks…

Regarding stat-passing, the council is still discussing to figure out the best steps forward. Nothing will be revisited until after SPL.
Marty Kris
Absolute goof moment on our hand, but we forgot to specify that Block + Baton Pass should also be banned, currently available on Smeargle.
 

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