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I don't think 75% of the meta really threatens BP umbreon, I'd guess 10% hardcounters (Fighting moves), and 40% soft counters (other strong Atk mon). The fighting types are UUBL for a reason, then ttar rock slide is 90% accurate, metagross meteor mash is 85% accurate. The pokemon that can roar...

"Mean Look pass Umbreon(which is far from broken)" Have you played a team where Umbreon uses mean look and sand attack? If you miss one or two turns it's GG It often happens like this (though there are many ways): They throw vaporeon out, maybe even with bright powder. You decide to switch to...

NEW BEST OPTION: No speed pass. No taunt. Ban assist. Up to 6 BP users. The end. The reason BP can be uncounterable or overly compromising to counter is speed and priority (Taunt). You didn't read their mind in one move or you missed? GG. We can't simply have no speed pass, because of taunt...

I'm thinking limit to 2 and no taunt w/ BP (options 2 and 3) as Gilbert Arenas has suggested. BP would still be useful but would require a similar level of prediction to any other tactic. Pretty sure there would be no way to pass all of def, spdef, and speed. If these 2 rules were in place, I...

How about hypnosis hypno, sand attack, or even T wave? Agility zap -> vap w/ roar or metagross with explosion are both pretty broken imo. I get the point of people citing tournie matches here, but ladder should be considered equally as that's what 99% of players play and I believe how players...

So I'm not going to claim to be at the level of the tournie players on main thread (1402 rn) but I have beat a few #1s on ladder (once with a marowak, no BP) and several 1500+ players at this point. I only make teams with at least one UU or UUBL - experimenting is what gives gen 3 longevity and...