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  1. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Power Trip: original name つけあがる(付け上がる):to abuse someone's generosity or friendliness, usually with an arrogant attitude; to take an arrogant attitude (roughly). Aside from typical Dark types and some thuggish mons (Zangoose), the only other mons that have traditionally gotten it are only...
  2. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    NO WE DON'T HAVE TOGEKISS, DON'T RUB SALT IN THE WOUND I hate dexit
  3. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Inaccurate; cummulative chance only makes sense when looking at a complex situation as a whole; as its eventualities progress, actual chance varies accordingly. 40% chance to get 1 or 2 turns is only accurate if measured before clicking Hypnosis and assuming that the person in the receiving end...
  4. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    by admitting that sleep is better, you're admitting that there's a way to measure those mechanics in "better" and "worse". Which implies that there's a "threshold" on how good/impactful a random mechanic can be before it becomes a problem. More importantly, the greatest problem with luck-based...
  5. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    First, let's talk status and probability. Sleep, at base, has a 100% chance of stopping an opponent for 1 turn or more, a 67% chance of stopping an opponent for 2 turns or more, and a 33% chance of stopping an opponent for 3 turns. This is done in 1 move, has no type immunities, and is...
  6. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Straight from the original Terastallization Tiering Discussion Thread, opening post: Sleep was already restricted, which is the critical, yet often ignored, difference.
  7. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    people like you, that participated in the discussion and are showing dislike over the result, or even people that as you say, didn't participate because they didn't know and are just showing disconfort, I have no problem with. I find it perfectly understandable and fine. My comment was directed...
  8. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Gamefreak only care about VGC and BSS from a balance perspective, but also won't "fix" problems within them with bans or checks, instead letting the broken run wild until they nerf/dexit them... the next game. BSS is included because it's one of the most popular game modes in Japan, though...
  9. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Enjoyment/Competitive: 7, not much to add here; gave it the same last time and not much has changed. I don't consider Sleep relevant for these scores, since it's not common enough to harm my enjoyment, and is wildly uncompetitive but not "broken". Sleep: 5 We've spent 30+ Pages talking about...
  10. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    For the record, in chess, according to supercomputers, being White gives a by-default ~0.5 point advantage over your opponent. There are these Bot VS Bot tournaments held periodically to determine which is the best chess bot in the world, which are already much stronger than the best human...
  11. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    70% chance to miss each time repeated 8 times, or (0.7^8)*100 = 5.7648%, which is the same as saying there's a 94.2352% chance of hitting at least once. A 1 in 17 chance. Which is also the same chance as hitting Focus Blast 8 times in a row. [This post is not an statement or an argument, is just...
  12. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Because Darkrai, Iron Valiant and Liligant-H didn't start this problem; they're bleeding off an open wound called "Sleep Clause Mod". Also, why are we keeping a mechanic like Sleep that is HALF NEUTERED BY A MOD. It's LITERALLY the only instance of such a limitation we have. If it needs a full...
  13. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Again, the problem is not IF they're balanced with or without a move/mechanic, but HOW that move/mechanic makes them imbalanced. Freeze Dry is the only move that you've mentioned that is widespread, and its 10% Freeze Chance is the only random and/or uncompetitive element of the lot. And Freeze...
  14. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    I don't support that option anymore, but as a former defender of it, I'd like to explain it a bit. The point of that option is that Sleep is not inherently "broken" (as in, too strong, at least with the current Clause), but can be "uncompetitive" on strong and/or fast mons, which only get the...
  15. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Couldn't make it before the thread got closed, so I'll say it here: Not sure if there's OU precedent, but I vaguely remember there being a multi-tier discussion about a mon at some point of the Sw/Sh meta where it got suspected in a tier while being on a lower tier by usage. Was trying to find...
  16. Metagame Views From The Council

    Fully support strengthening the limitations over sleep. Not sure on whether to allow exceptions for Yawn, or Dire Claw and moves like that, but some action should definitely be taken. This conversation has been brought up by Darkrai, but as the post that opened the debate explained, this is...
  17. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    While I wouldn't say no to a Gholdengo suspect in hopes that it makes Hazards better, even if just a bit, I think my priority list of support would be: 1 - Kyurem Suspect 2 - No suspect 3 - Roaring Moon Suspect 4 - Gholdengo Suspect Deoxys-S, still don't like it, but not so sure it deserves a...
  18. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    Fully suppport this comment. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Hazards are and have always been the single biggest problem of Gen 9; more than Tera or even Power Creep. I defended Gholdengo's banning since day 1 of the meta due to what it did to Defog. But after seeing DLC2 bring...
  19. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    ^Didn't we just have a survey that pretty much said "some things are slightly worrying, but no need to do anything for now"? We're talking of things that "might" require action "eventually"; don't know where you drew that conclusion from.
  20. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]

    guys, I do have things to say to your arguments, but I wrote that with the strike-through thing just to drop the thought without opening a discussion point because we've been told repeatedly to not talk about Uber drops anymore, and I do agree that we shouldn't drop any. I know it's my own fault...
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